1 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:34,090 happy new year everyone this is Martin 2 00:00:38,979 --> 00:00:36,290 Willis your host and we're drawing the 3 00:00:42,069 --> 00:00:38,989 winner of the brand new ipad mini and 4 00:00:44,979 --> 00:00:42,079 five really cool swag bags this is 5 00:00:48,130 --> 00:00:44,989 compliments of Jimmer com that's geem 6 00:00:50,530 --> 00:00:48,140 are calm it's a place where people can 7 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:50,540 connect and collect and that's coming up 8 00:00:55,930 --> 00:00:53,330 in just a moment this is a pre-recorded 9 00:00:58,390 --> 00:00:55,940 show but I'm not editing a darn thing 10 00:00:59,890 --> 00:00:58,400 it's going to seem like a live show even 11 00:01:02,200 --> 00:00:59,900 if I make mistakes and that includes 12 00:01:04,689 --> 00:01:02,210 when I'm with alejandra see I did it 13 00:01:07,180 --> 00:01:04,699 already Alejandro Rojas coming up and 14 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:07,190 we're going to be talking about events 15 00:01:12,340 --> 00:01:10,369 in 2014 and I'm sure we're going to 16 00:01:15,310 --> 00:01:12,350 stray a bit from there well in the 17 00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:15,320 second hour we have amateur astronomer 18 00:01:22,690 --> 00:01:17,990 Andy Fleming across the pond he's going 19 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:22,700 to be reflecting on ufology in 2014 plus 20 00:01:27,850 --> 00:01:25,310 a number of clips that I chose from what 21 00:01:30,580 --> 00:01:27,860 I consider pretty good shows of 2014 22 00:01:32,380 --> 00:01:30,590 with a little monologue in between so I 23 00:01:34,660 --> 00:01:32,390 hope you enjoy it it's going to be a 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:34,670 different type of show this time so if 25 00:01:39,010 --> 00:01:36,410 you want to subscribe to hear the second 26 00:01:42,820 --> 00:01:39,020 hour of any of our podcasts go to get 27 00:01:45,749 --> 00:01:42,830 Joyride calm / podcast UFO the link is 28 00:01:48,070 --> 00:01:45,759 right on our website podcast UFO calm 29 00:01:51,790 --> 00:01:48,080 subscribers pay only a dollar a month or 30 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:51,800 more to access the full two hour show 31 00:01:58,270 --> 00:01:55,310 and that also includes a private link 32 00:02:02,589 --> 00:01:58,280 that you can hook right into itunes or 33 00:02:04,839 --> 00:02:02,599 any other media player and if you have 34 00:02:08,710 --> 00:02:04,849 any questions or problems or concerns 35 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:08,720 just email me at podcast I'm sorry at 36 00:02:15,070 --> 00:02:12,560 Martin at podcast UFO calm again I said 37 00:02:18,339 --> 00:02:15,080 I'm not going to edit so you got me the 38 00:02:21,220 --> 00:02:18,349 way I am but we are ready to drop the 39 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:21,230 winner so how you doing Natalia it's my 40 00:02:29,530 --> 00:02:25,030 lovely assistant happy new year everyone 41 00:02:32,170 --> 00:02:29,540 thank you and okay so I in front of me 42 00:02:35,290 --> 00:02:32,180 you can picture this I have a kind of an 43 00:02:36,849 --> 00:02:35,300 antique pitcher it's kind of a mosaic 44 00:02:39,789 --> 00:02:36,859 piece kind of nice and it's full of 45 00:02:41,949 --> 00:02:39,799 names and we're going to be drawing them 46 00:02:42,610 --> 00:02:41,959 out and the first one is going to be the 47 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:42,620 winner of the 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:44,510 ipad mini and reach in if you will 49 00:03:04,300 --> 00:02:59,979 you having a hard time reading it ms no 50 00:03:05,860 --> 00:03:04,310 Norris oh ok oh yeah hey you know what 51 00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:05,870 I'm having a hard time reading this one 52 00:03:12,220 --> 00:03:08,000 I'm not sure who you are but 53 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:12,230 congratulations it's msn oun oh you are 54 00:03:16,539 --> 00:03:14,329 s I don't know what kind of user name 55 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:16,549 that is but congratulations you won a 56 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:21,170 brand new ipad mini congratulations all 57 00:03:28,930 --> 00:03:26,769 right again that's msn oun oh you are s 58 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:28,940 ok now we're going to draw five more 59 00:03:41,010 --> 00:03:33,200 these are for swag bags you had to pick 60 00:03:46,110 --> 00:03:44,820 neither mink Oh Nina mink I can't 61 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:46,120 believe Nina mink she had trouble 62 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:49,570 signing up uh Nina make you one a swag 63 00:04:02,760 --> 00:03:52,930 bag okay go ahead that one was easy to 64 00:04:06,390 --> 00:04:02,770 read the women another hard one quote um 65 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:06,400 Oh Scott Sakura oh my goodness Scott 66 00:04:12,270 --> 00:04:09,910 Sakura was actually my first listener 67 00:04:13,730 --> 00:04:12,280 thank you Scott he listened he somehow 68 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:13,740 found my very first podcast 69 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:16,890 congratulations Scott for a swag bag I 70 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:19,270 know he's saying why not the ipad mini 71 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:30,720 right Ludmila ludmila for a swag bag 72 00:04:47,180 --> 00:04:43,530 Bruce Rainer Bruce Rainer and here's the 73 00:04:56,659 --> 00:04:47,190 last one the last winner for a swag bag 74 00:05:00,000 --> 00:04:56,669 full of cool stuff Christopher ranking 75 00:05:01,550 --> 00:05:00,010 drinking Christopher ranking well thank 76 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:01,560 you all very much Thank You Natalia 77 00:05:08,129 --> 00:05:04,930 happy new year I again was nice talking 78 00:05:11,690 --> 00:05:08,139 to all of you thank you all right now we 79 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:11,700 have alejandro is coming right up 80 00:05:16,380 --> 00:05:13,510 congratulations everyone and thank you 81 00:05:19,020 --> 00:05:16,390 for participating and we're going to 82 00:05:20,850 --> 00:05:19,030 move right along to Alejandro Rojas how 83 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:20,860 is it going let's get down to business 84 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:25,840 alejandro business it shall be then yeah 85 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:28,150 congratulations to the ipad mini winner 86 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:30,490 I I thought I was supposed to win it and 87 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:31,810 then I was going to give it back to you 88 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:35,470 yeah it was fixed but you know that they 89 00:05:40,590 --> 00:05:39,250 intervened so man some people some men 90 00:05:44,190 --> 00:05:40,600 in black showed up well congratulations 91 00:05:46,260 --> 00:05:44,200 anyway the interview oh they made sure 92 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:46,270 that you did it right these must have 93 00:05:51,719 --> 00:05:48,810 been the good men in black yeah and uh 94 00:05:54,060 --> 00:05:51,729 yeah when I looked up the username of 95 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:54,070 the person at one it's one of those 96 00:05:59,040 --> 00:05:57,250 black-eyed kids you know yeah yeah well 97 00:06:00,810 --> 00:05:59,050 what if like the will smith scenario you 98 00:06:03,570 --> 00:06:00,820 know the movies at the men in black are 99 00:06:06,690 --> 00:06:03,580 actually good guys yeah hey you never 100 00:06:10,050 --> 00:06:06,700 know yeah another mystery solved mmhmm 101 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:10,060 yeah so this show this hour is going to 102 00:06:14,580 --> 00:06:12,910 be really a reflection and a lot of it 103 00:06:16,890 --> 00:06:14,590 is your i'm going to say all of it is 104 00:06:19,700 --> 00:06:16,900 your hard work so i'm really looking 105 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:19,710 forward to hearing what has happened in 106 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:23,289 2014 and you go ahead and spill it in 107 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:25,930 let's talk about some stories that 108 00:06:30,150 --> 00:06:27,910 happened and by the way none of this is 109 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:30,160 being edited i made that promise Wow 110 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:32,440 listener that i'm going to make this as 111 00:06:36,330 --> 00:06:34,450 close to a live show as possible and I'm 112 00:06:37,860 --> 00:06:36,340 I don't care how we goof up and I 113 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:37,870 already Wow like three or four times 114 00:06:42,420 --> 00:06:40,570 yeah you have going to run it because 115 00:06:44,460 --> 00:06:42,430 actually I'm running out of time the 116 00:06:46,529 --> 00:06:44,470 producer of the Dark Matter radio 117 00:06:51,510 --> 00:06:46,539 network has gotta skedaddle and he says 118 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:51,520 well now so it's currently six o'clock 119 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:54,310 eastern time and I've got you know but 120 00:06:58,409 --> 00:06:55,930 when i get this thing done it's off to 121 00:07:02,369 --> 00:06:58,419 him and it's when i say so many bad 122 00:07:05,369 --> 00:07:02,379 words oh you have your chance yeah 123 00:07:07,050 --> 00:07:05,379 alright so let's try to keep it clean 124 00:07:11,610 --> 00:07:07,060 and tell me what's been happening over 125 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:11,620 this last year well lots of stuff 126 00:07:16,969 --> 00:07:13,990 there's been some UFOs and stuff well 127 00:07:22,170 --> 00:07:16,979 actually there's a couple things I 128 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:22,180 called top UFO videos and that is now 129 00:07:25,290 --> 00:07:23,710 not on the front page anymore because 130 00:07:27,330 --> 00:07:25,300 that we've got other stories but if you 131 00:07:28,529 --> 00:07:27,340 click articles that open mind stat TV 132 00:07:30,659 --> 00:07:28,539 you'll find it and I'm sure you'll have 133 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:30,669 a link on your site but I wrote about 134 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:34,060 the top videos and then I also put a lot 135 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:37,120 of links towards the end to some of the 136 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:40,030 good stories from the year because I was 137 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:41,800 surprised when I compiled this how many 138 00:07:48,570 --> 00:07:44,650 great stories there were and what an 139 00:07:51,089 --> 00:07:48,580 important year this was for the UFO 140 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:51,099 field so people can follow along by 141 00:07:55,620 --> 00:07:53,050 looking at that but there are a couple 142 00:07:59,219 --> 00:07:55,630 things that weren't in there and I guess 143 00:08:01,409 --> 00:07:59,229 we could start off with that and those 144 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:01,419 are and I sent you this these links uh 145 00:08:08,029 --> 00:08:04,210 so you can put them on the page those 146 00:08:12,839 --> 00:08:08,039 are the Chilean official UFO government 147 00:08:15,390 --> 00:08:12,849 organization sefa ah and astrobiology 148 00:08:18,749 --> 00:08:15,400 those have been two important stories 149 00:08:22,409 --> 00:08:18,759 this year so we'll just get into that 150 00:08:26,909 --> 00:08:22,419 are you familiar with safa oh yes my 151 00:08:30,269 --> 00:08:26,919 parents and I've had a jose a lie on the 152 00:08:32,730 --> 00:08:30,279 show yeah and a great guy and he and I 153 00:08:34,380 --> 00:08:32,740 became buddies down in down in North 154 00:08:37,079 --> 00:08:34,390 Carolina yeah that's right that's where 155 00:08:39,719 --> 00:08:37,089 we met in what was at North Carolina or 156 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:39,729 South Carolina I thought that it was 157 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:41,680 south I thought we were in North 158 00:08:46,050 --> 00:08:43,450 Carolina I don't know where the hell we 159 00:08:48,449 --> 00:08:46,060 were but it it was cool because there 160 00:08:50,810 --> 00:08:48,459 were a lot of important people that were 161 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:50,820 out there including representatives from 162 00:08:58,170 --> 00:08:55,450 Francis J pond and there was Jose lay 163 00:09:00,590 --> 00:08:58,180 there was a Belgian general who 164 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:00,600 investigated the Belgian UFO wave 165 00:09:05,250 --> 00:09:04,000 richard haines from Nar cap so you're 166 00:09:08,010 --> 00:09:05,260 right a lot of really 167 00:09:09,980 --> 00:09:08,020 people and what's great about sefa ah 168 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:09,990 and the Chilean organization we 169 00:09:14,220 --> 00:09:12,310 interviewed him and we had general 170 00:09:18,380 --> 00:09:14,230 Bermudez who's in charge of the 171 00:09:20,910 --> 00:09:18,390 organization at our UFO Congress and 172 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:20,920 years ago you know after Congress it 173 00:09:25,770 --> 00:09:22,450 won't just a couple years ago he said 174 00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:25,780 his major goal was to unite all of these 175 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:29,350 government organizations to create a 176 00:09:35,790 --> 00:09:32,040 worldwide network where government and 177 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:35,800 you know serious investigators in this 178 00:09:41,610 --> 00:09:38,470 field can cross-check information and to 179 00:09:44,070 --> 00:09:41,620 create this worldwide network and he's 180 00:09:46,650 --> 00:09:44,080 really moved forward on that in fact 181 00:09:48,090 --> 00:09:46,660 this year I think one of the newest 182 00:09:52,830 --> 00:09:48,100 latest story which is a really exciting 183 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:52,840 one is a pond has this organization they 184 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:54,520 work with called the aeronautical and 185 00:10:01,230 --> 00:09:56,710 astronautical Association of France 186 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:01,240 their acronym is 3af and they are 187 00:10:05,330 --> 00:10:03,490 similar to our United States american 188 00:10:08,270 --> 00:10:05,340 institute of aeronautics and 189 00:10:12,740 --> 00:10:08,280 astronautics which is a very prestigious 190 00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:12,750 society made up of mostly engineers and 191 00:10:17,340 --> 00:10:14,800 aeronautical engineers people in 192 00:10:20,430 --> 00:10:17,350 aerospace and people who just have a 193 00:10:23,370 --> 00:10:20,440 professional interest in that field well 194 00:10:26,430 --> 00:10:23,380 the French version 3af has a group 195 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:26,440 called Sigma that investigates UFOs and 196 00:10:31,710 --> 00:10:29,440 they work with Japan in investigating 197 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:31,720 UFOs these guys we wrote a story about 198 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:33,250 him a couple years ago and we actually 199 00:10:40,170 --> 00:10:35,170 had their representative at the Congress 200 00:10:43,530 --> 00:10:40,180 one year to he just spoke French so it 201 00:10:45,690 --> 00:10:43,540 was difficult but they wrote a report on 202 00:10:48,210 --> 00:10:45,700 UFOs where they supported the 203 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:48,220 conclusions of another famous UFO report 204 00:10:52,530 --> 00:10:51,010 by engineers and military people you 205 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:52,540 know several years ago called the 206 00:10:56,250 --> 00:10:54,010 committee report which people are 207 00:10:58,620 --> 00:10:56,260 familiar with these are both private 208 00:11:01,320 --> 00:10:58,630 organizations not governmental but they 209 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:01,330 concluded that UFOs are real and that 210 00:11:06,870 --> 00:11:03,310 they are possibly of extraterrestrial 211 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:06,880 origin so 3af recently said they agree 212 00:11:11,130 --> 00:11:08,890 with that and they've been working with 213 00:11:13,770 --> 00:11:11,140 shape on to do the science behind the 214 00:11:15,770 --> 00:11:13,780 investigation on their UFO cases and now 215 00:11:18,330 --> 00:11:15,780 they've signed an agreement 216 00:11:19,129 --> 00:11:18,340 representatives from sefa I went out to 217 00:11:22,309 --> 00:11:19,139 France 218 00:11:25,009 --> 00:11:22,319 and they had some meetings and 3af says 219 00:11:27,169 --> 00:11:25,019 now they will assist Chile in doing that 220 00:11:28,869 --> 00:11:27,179 I think that's a big deal because you 221 00:11:31,789 --> 00:11:28,879 know these are some major internal at 222 00:11:33,739 --> 00:11:31,799 international relations some other 223 00:11:37,429 --> 00:11:33,749 important stories from safada that came 224 00:11:40,309 --> 00:11:37,439 out this year were that they met with 225 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:40,319 other government officials and what's 226 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:41,669 interesting is these government 227 00:11:47,650 --> 00:11:43,889 officials all came to the table with the 228 00:11:50,629 --> 00:11:47,660 foregone conclusion that UFOs are real 229 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:50,639 impossible extraterrestrial spacecraft 230 00:11:55,819 --> 00:11:52,769 they wanted to determine whether they 231 00:11:58,340 --> 00:11:55,829 were a danger or not they all met and 232 00:12:01,789 --> 00:11:58,350 they decided that there was no malicious 233 00:12:05,229 --> 00:12:01,799 intent displayed by the actions of UFOs 234 00:12:07,669 --> 00:12:05,239 the only danger posed is by distracting 235 00:12:10,789 --> 00:12:07,679 pilots when pilots are like book the UFO 236 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:10,799 you know that they might crash into each 237 00:12:18,739 --> 00:12:15,809 other or a mountain so they're concerned 238 00:12:21,829 --> 00:12:18,749 then you know was that how do we train 239 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:21,839 pilots not to freak out when they see a 240 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:23,730 UFO essentially so that's kind of cool 241 00:12:28,669 --> 00:12:25,410 they also made a lot of international 242 00:12:31,669 --> 00:12:28,679 news when they released a case that they 243 00:12:33,909 --> 00:12:31,679 felt was unexplained of some photographs 244 00:12:38,179 --> 00:12:33,919 that were taken by some miners in chile 245 00:12:41,289 --> 00:12:38,189 that had seen AI UFO so most of these 246 00:12:44,989 --> 00:12:41,299 stories were written by Leslie Kane who 247 00:12:47,629 --> 00:12:44,999 is a journalist and has close ties with 248 00:12:50,179 --> 00:12:47,639 them she's also the author of the best 249 00:12:52,549 --> 00:12:50,189 seller New York Times bestseller UFOs 250 00:12:55,850 --> 00:12:52,559 generals pilots and government officials 251 00:12:57,289 --> 00:12:55,860 go on the record right now we covered a 252 00:13:01,400 --> 00:12:57,299 little bit of this here and there and 253 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:01,410 actually yeah had Jose on right when 254 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:02,730 you're talking about those miners he was 255 00:13:06,619 --> 00:13:04,769 on right after that and that that is an 256 00:13:10,159 --> 00:13:06,629 interesting case and the whole thing 257 00:13:12,979 --> 00:13:10,169 behind that were they filmed it for a 258 00:13:15,409 --> 00:13:12,989 certain period of time and it wasn't 259 00:13:16,729 --> 00:13:15,419 going to get out but someone showed it 260 00:13:19,939 --> 00:13:16,739 to the foreman it's a very interesting 261 00:13:21,650 --> 00:13:19,949 story that whole thing so actually do 262 00:13:24,019 --> 00:13:21,660 have a link to that that you sent me 263 00:13:27,319 --> 00:13:24,029 that will also be in the show notes i 264 00:13:30,289 --> 00:13:27,329 did i sent you the link to the most 265 00:13:33,049 --> 00:13:30,299 recent story which also has links to the 266 00:13:35,059 --> 00:13:33,059 others as well all right oh 267 00:13:37,429 --> 00:13:35,069 just just I'm just throwing this in 268 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:37,439 there because of between stories here I 269 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:39,809 did want to say that you know we lost 270 00:13:48,079 --> 00:13:42,289 two people in the UFO field last year 271 00:13:51,249 --> 00:13:48,089 both Terry Hanson and Roger Leir Raj 272 00:13:54,289 --> 00:13:51,259 earlier I had on the show fairly 273 00:13:57,159 --> 00:13:54,299 recently I believe I think it was maybe 274 00:13:59,959 --> 00:13:57,169 late 2013 seemed like a real gentleman 275 00:14:02,989 --> 00:13:59,969 I'm sure you've probably had him on your 276 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:02,999 show before I have I met him with him 277 00:14:09,619 --> 00:14:06,569 quite often seeing him around and he had 278 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:09,629 visited our offices we did some special 279 00:14:16,699 --> 00:14:13,049 videos with him as well and yeah really 280 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:16,709 great guy so he'll be missed and and you 281 00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:18,089 know another one I can think of his 282 00:14:24,109 --> 00:14:21,839 Dolores cannon comes to mind mmm yeah I 283 00:14:26,569 --> 00:14:24,119 know the name I just I can't I can't 284 00:14:29,329 --> 00:14:26,579 tell ya she was really interesting she 285 00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:29,339 did regressions and of on people and 286 00:14:33,889 --> 00:14:32,339 yeah okay yep yeah and felt she was 287 00:14:38,779 --> 00:14:33,899 speaking with extraterrestrials through 288 00:14:42,229 --> 00:14:38,789 through her client there and wrote some 289 00:14:43,489 --> 00:14:42,239 books about it and stuff you know we're 290 00:14:46,669 --> 00:14:43,499 talking you're talking just a minute ago 291 00:14:48,529 --> 00:14:46,679 about the country's or basically saying 292 00:14:50,089 --> 00:14:48,539 that you know they realize that UFOs are 293 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:50,099 real and to me that's fascinating 294 00:14:56,089 --> 00:14:52,289 because I had lunch today with them who 295 00:15:00,529 --> 00:14:56,099 I invited a co-worker I'm involved in a 296 00:15:02,029 --> 00:15:00,539 startup company and a co-worker that 297 00:15:05,389 --> 00:15:02,039 have worked with is really really into 298 00:15:08,149 --> 00:15:05,399 astronomy and science and and he's also 299 00:15:10,449 --> 00:15:08,159 a skeptic and we you know we kind of 300 00:15:13,819 --> 00:15:10,459 went head to head over the UFO topic and 301 00:15:15,499 --> 00:15:13,829 he is just you know it all goes back and 302 00:15:17,689 --> 00:15:15,509 I understand exactly what he's saying it 303 00:15:21,769 --> 00:15:17,699 all goes back to evidence you know what 304 00:15:24,529 --> 00:15:21,779 evidence do we have he likened something 305 00:15:26,299 --> 00:15:24,539 like if he had a gumball machine and he 306 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:26,309 said to me you know there's a thousand 307 00:15:31,699 --> 00:15:28,769 or so gumballs in the other odd or even 308 00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,709 say yes or no and I said what are you 309 00:15:35,359 --> 00:15:33,839 what are you saying yeah what are you 310 00:15:37,609 --> 00:15:35,369 trying to say to me and he's saying 311 00:15:40,489 --> 00:15:37,619 that's how the same thing is saying that 312 00:15:43,219 --> 00:15:40,499 UFOs exist you have no you know there's 313 00:15:44,929 --> 00:15:43,229 no conclusive evidence unless you look 314 00:15:46,850 --> 00:15:44,939 at it so unless you count those gumballs 315 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:46,860 you can't answer 316 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:49,860 and unless you hold a piece of evidence 317 00:15:53,540 --> 00:15:51,690 in your hand you can't answer that UFOs 318 00:15:56,900 --> 00:15:53,550 exist that was his saying but you know I 319 00:15:59,210 --> 00:15:56,910 forgot all about the fact that you know 320 00:16:02,480 --> 00:15:59,220 these countries are actually saying yes 321 00:16:04,730 --> 00:16:02,490 we are saying that UFOs exist you know 322 00:16:07,340 --> 00:16:04,740 that me that that is a big deal and that 323 00:16:10,340 --> 00:16:07,350 does mean a lot it's not like it's you 324 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:10,350 or me or whoever else in ufology do 325 00:16:16,130 --> 00:16:12,330 these are these are someone representing 326 00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:16,140 of some part of a government or you know 327 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:18,120 these are important people in my eyes 328 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:23,310 yeah well and now Peru has a group like 329 00:16:28,580 --> 00:16:25,410 this actually Uruguay was the first to 330 00:16:30,890 --> 00:16:28,590 have a group an official group now we 331 00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:30,900 have Chile Argentina was supposed to 332 00:16:35,710 --> 00:16:33,540 have started one so now there are a 333 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:35,720 handful of official governmental 334 00:16:41,810 --> 00:16:38,570 organizations investigating this stuff 335 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:41,820 Japan is under cnes which is their 336 00:16:47,210 --> 00:16:45,330 version of NASA others are I think all 337 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:47,220 of the others are under the military the 338 00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:49,290 Air Force so lots of different 339 00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:51,600 configurations and that was why it was 340 00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:54,390 important for them to meet in North or 341 00:16:58,340 --> 00:16:57,060 South Carolina wherever we were and 342 00:17:01,160 --> 00:16:58,350 that's kind of where a lot of these 343 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:01,170 relationships got started so really cool 344 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:02,730 stuff and it's neat that we got to be 345 00:17:06,830 --> 00:17:05,280 there it really is and it was really 346 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:06,840 wonderful meeting all those people you 347 00:17:12,170 --> 00:17:09,930 know I besides meeting you there and and 348 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:12,180 our connection that has been great that 349 00:17:16,610 --> 00:17:14,250 was when I made the choice to go there 350 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:16,620 that that that just changed so much in 351 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:19,050 you know what I do actually and that's 352 00:17:24,370 --> 00:17:21,030 why I really want to get out there to 353 00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:24,380 more conventions and I definitely am 354 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:26,640 starting to make plans right now to see 355 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:28,710 you out there at the UFO Congress this 356 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:31,110 year and we can actually talk about you 357 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:32,490 know we don't have to stay completely 358 00:17:36,650 --> 00:17:34,770 stuck in 2014 we can talk a little bit 359 00:17:38,830 --> 00:17:36,660 about that if you'd like to address that 360 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:38,840 right now why don't you just go into it 361 00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:41,700 what is going on out there and who you 362 00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:44,100 have four speakers okay the dates and 363 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:45,780 all that you better now because I 364 00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:47,610 won't talk to you again if I know how's 365 00:17:54,620 --> 00:17:51,600 that I I am black ma'am semi-permanently 366 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:54,630 committed yeah yeah yeah so well there 367 00:17:59,660 --> 00:17:56,730 is some news around that for this year 368 00:18:00,680 --> 00:17:59,670 because that Guinness World Records the 369 00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:00,690 Book of Guinness World 370 00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:04,320 records in 2014 said that we are as the 371 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:06,240 largest the world's largest UFO 372 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:09,030 convention so they made that official so 373 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:11,730 that's some exciting 2014 news and this 374 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:13,650 is exciting I mean one of the topics 375 00:18:18,130 --> 00:18:15,930 that was kind of cool his bob lazar 376 00:18:22,340 --> 00:18:18,140 coming out and doing some interviews 377 00:18:24,140 --> 00:18:22,350 with George Knapp he really has a laid 378 00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:24,150 low and I talked about his stuff in a 379 00:18:30,350 --> 00:18:26,760 long time and so now he's coming out too 380 00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:30,360 and it was because of that that you know 381 00:18:34,850 --> 00:18:32,340 we kind of felt hey he's obviously got a 382 00:18:37,010 --> 00:18:34,860 lot more to say then George adapted to 383 00:18:39,650 --> 00:18:37,020 talk at move on that was very compelling 384 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:39,660 that you know George or that bob lazar 385 00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:42,240 should not be written off and so that 386 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:43,860 sparked are talking to George about 387 00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:45,750 getting Bob Lazar to come to the UFO 388 00:18:49,550 --> 00:18:47,820 Congress and it was really difficult but 389 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:49,560 luckily I have a great relationship with 390 00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:52,320 George that's why I'm on coast to coast 391 00:18:57,980 --> 00:18:56,310 with him fairly frequently and so we got 392 00:19:00,980 --> 00:18:57,990 it to work out so that's really exciting 393 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:00,990 but we have a lot of other good ones you 394 00:19:08,450 --> 00:19:04,650 helped me get reconnected with the guys 395 00:19:11,330 --> 00:19:08,460 in allagash the that had the experience 396 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:11,340 in the allagash main and that's a great 397 00:19:16,220 --> 00:19:13,830 case I've seen him talk before and at 398 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:16,230 least one of them will be coming the 399 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:19,530 other one is actually asked not feeling 400 00:19:23,150 --> 00:19:21,330 well so we're probably going to have him 401 00:19:25,790 --> 00:19:23,160 on video and show him during the talk 402 00:19:28,850 --> 00:19:25,800 with Charlie Colts so Charlie's charlie 403 00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:28,860 will be there oh so it's Jim yeah Jim is 404 00:19:34,370 --> 00:19:31,860 I got some will might not be able to 405 00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:34,380 make it but he had a terrible fall years 406 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:37,320 ago and in a hole and broke his oh my 407 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:40,020 gosh how really that's how this whole 408 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,610 thing came out you'll hear this story 409 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:44,160 but that's how the whole thing came out 410 00:19:50,510 --> 00:19:46,890 because of when he was when he was 411 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:50,520 recuperating in the hospital someone 412 00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:52,530 gave him the book to read of Whitley 413 00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:55,380 streamers and he saw that and he freaked 414 00:19:59,960 --> 00:19:57,660 out what a great story that is because 415 00:20:01,700 --> 00:19:59,970 yeah that's when all reality hit him of 416 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:01,710 what and these guys are cool these guys 417 00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:03,510 are really down-to-earth really neat 418 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:07,080 guys so so that's a fun one I mean 419 00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:08,550 there's just lots of really cool 420 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:11,400 speakers that I'm very excited about 421 00:20:14,030 --> 00:20:12,570 that are going to be there will have 422 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:14,040 Richard Dolan you probably interviewed 423 00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:14,490 here 424 00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:17,820 and you know everybody's always excited 425 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:20,340 he's put together a special talk just 426 00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:23,730 for for the conference Jaime moose on as 427 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:26,480 usual people really like to see him 428 00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,770 Jeremy corbel I don't know if you've 429 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:30,480 interviewed him not many people know 430 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:31,890 about him but he's done some great 431 00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,230 documentaries he'll be releasing at our 432 00:20:40,790 --> 00:20:37,440 conference finally and he's going to be 433 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:40,800 I think the next big thing he's real 434 00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:42,660 good friends with that George Knapp and 435 00:20:46,790 --> 00:20:44,790 I he's done some stuff in Vegas really 436 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:46,800 cool guy so this is going to be great so 437 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:48,300 a lot of really neat stuff coming up 438 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:49,650 with the Congress it's going to be 439 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:52,530 really really cool definitely no doubt 440 00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:55,710 worth it and you know we work really 441 00:20:59,330 --> 00:20:57,720 hard well you know how it is when we 442 00:21:01,549 --> 00:20:59,340 interview people you get to know a lot 443 00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:01,559 of people and have your kind of thumb on 444 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,590 the pulse of the field and it gives us a 445 00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:06,480 unique perspective to know who's doing 446 00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:09,600 really cool stuff out there so really 447 00:21:13,210 --> 00:21:11,340 our conference is going to be full of 448 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:13,220 those people doing cool stuff right now 449 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:16,890 now I know you spoke up after my head 450 00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:19,410 Don Trumbull on the show I'm sorry Doug 451 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:21,540 trouble Trumbull on the show you spoke 452 00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:23,730 to him not too long after did you 453 00:21:28,669 --> 00:21:26,220 actually consider thinking about 454 00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:28,679 inviting him eventually that would be 455 00:21:36,740 --> 00:21:31,740 great he's a really busy fella I mean he 456 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:36,750 is just you know a tech head who's in 457 00:21:41,690 --> 00:21:39,210 there filming his own projects working 458 00:21:43,580 --> 00:21:41,700 on technology of course he's working 459 00:21:46,820 --> 00:21:43,590 with Mark Dantonio from MUFON on 460 00:21:49,610 --> 00:21:46,830 building some UFO detectors so he's such 461 00:21:53,419 --> 00:21:49,620 an extremely busy guy I figure I'm gonna 462 00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:53,429 give it a go but I'm not it was hard 463 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:55,590 enough for me to get this I had been 464 00:22:01,940 --> 00:21:58,290 working with Mark for literally I think 465 00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:01,950 years to get an interview and I finally 466 00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:04,470 gave up and then you got an interview so 467 00:22:09,260 --> 00:22:06,179 I was able to give mark a guilt trip to 468 00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:09,270 try again and so that's how I got the 469 00:22:15,290 --> 00:22:12,780 interview so yeah that's but yeah just 470 00:22:18,430 --> 00:22:15,300 and I understand I mean I I hold no 471 00:22:21,650 --> 00:22:18,440 grudge against Mark for that I thank him 472 00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:21,660 you know very much for getting me the 473 00:22:28,299 --> 00:22:24,419 interview because he literally worked on 474 00:22:31,869 --> 00:22:28,309 my absolute favorite movies I mean he's 475 00:22:34,849 --> 00:22:31,879 responsible for some of some sci-fi 476 00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,859 special effects that have been a big 477 00:22:42,499 --> 00:22:37,440 influence on me syfy's my favorite genre 478 00:22:45,609 --> 00:22:42,509 and Close Encounters blade runner Star 479 00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:45,619 Trek you know bass odyssey these yeah 480 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:49,289 2001 these are all my absolute favorite 481 00:22:56,869 --> 00:22:53,129 movies so so really cool he's a guy now 482 00:23:00,080 --> 00:22:56,879 I you know I plan to do a live show 483 00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:00,090 right from there because of the way the 484 00:23:04,989 --> 00:23:02,940 timing works you're going to still have 485 00:23:08,659 --> 00:23:04,999 some some things going on on that 486 00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:08,669 Wednesday evening and if I can rope some 487 00:23:11,869 --> 00:23:10,679 people in there I'm going to have the 488 00:23:15,019 --> 00:23:11,879 live show I'm gonna have the live show 489 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:15,029 from there regardless but if I can rope 490 00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:17,369 some of the guests or speakers you have 491 00:23:22,340 --> 00:23:20,700 as guess undo like a round-robin that 492 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:22,350 would be just fantastic I'd love to do 493 00:23:26,539 --> 00:23:24,450 that like that we'll talk more as the 494 00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,549 time gets closer but what is what are 495 00:23:30,379 --> 00:23:28,559 the dates that ought to be fun so you're 496 00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:30,389 going to actually use a rope so the 497 00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:32,340 audience you'll be like okay I'm tossing 498 00:23:39,259 --> 00:23:36,179 my rope I see a Stanton Friedman walking 499 00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:39,269 I got him both times Willingham yeah I'm 500 00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:41,820 pulling them to the table well I'll be 501 00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:43,830 out west and you know cowboy country so 502 00:23:49,129 --> 00:23:46,559 yeah that's right my dear apps and 503 00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:49,139 western get my last two going and just 504 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:52,679 wrap them on in that is februari 18th to 505 00:24:00,979 --> 00:23:57,210 the 22nd you can go to the website at a 506 00:24:02,539 --> 00:24:00,989 UFO Congress calm and register when you 507 00:24:04,669 --> 00:24:02,549 get there you'll see that the host hotel 508 00:24:07,369 --> 00:24:04,679 is booked to that always books up really 509 00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:07,379 quick quickly because there's so many 510 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:09,480 people that come but don't worry there 511 00:24:15,409 --> 00:24:12,210 are hotels that are just a couple blocks 512 00:24:18,259 --> 00:24:15,419 away right around the corner that you 513 00:24:21,499 --> 00:24:18,269 can stay at so and they have shuttles so 514 00:24:24,619 --> 00:24:21,509 not a problem whatsoever if you would 515 00:24:26,629 --> 00:24:24,629 can you send a link that i can put in 516 00:24:28,539 --> 00:24:26,639 the show notes so anyone listening can 517 00:24:31,369 --> 00:24:28,549 find out information for that and 518 00:24:32,869 --> 00:24:31,379 certainly and you know i need to find 519 00:24:35,419 --> 00:24:32,879 out the information myself because i 520 00:24:37,129 --> 00:24:35,429 haven't booked laughing yet so yep yeah 521 00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:37,139 and I think I told you I tell everybody 522 00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:40,860 i stress on my show or all the time 523 00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:43,620 book hotel early because they do sell 524 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:46,679 out the host health Sosa quick but the 525 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:48,330 other ones are very nice to very nice 526 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:51,450 area great I cannot wait yeah wait till 527 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:54,270 you see it it's a such a beautiful area 528 00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,370 well yeah and you know it's it's 529 00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:58,320 miserable back here in made the state of 530 00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:00,780 Maine on the mountain I'm the only one I 531 00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:03,750 just drive I not making this up I Drive 532 00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:05,820 just a couple of miles away there's no 533 00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:07,740 snow but up on the mountain where I live 534 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:11,400 there's plenty of snow as ensure up go 535 00:25:16,940 --> 00:25:12,690 ahead I'm sorry well as of right now 536 00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:16,950 it's like four degrees outside Wow holy 537 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:20,340 moly yeah yeah I was just back in 538 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:22,650 Colorado and I do not miss a cold in the 539 00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:26,610 snow yeah yeah you probably saw I put up 540 00:25:34,340 --> 00:25:30,240 a video it was a royal wedding and that 541 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:34,350 was terrible I almost died from old 542 00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:37,650 pneus uh I had my little shoes and I 543 00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:39,419 knew we were going to get off topic and 544 00:25:43,159 --> 00:25:40,740 that's I had to wear my girlfriend tack 545 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:43,169 because I was apparent that that's a 546 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:45,090 danger of not being able to edit okay so 547 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:47,130 let's get back in here yeah listen I 548 00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:49,320 just since we're so far off topic i'm 549 00:25:54,490 --> 00:25:50,760 just going to ask you where in colorado 550 00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,500 did you go denver denver okay centennial 551 00:26:00,919 --> 00:25:57,360 specifically but in a metro area yeah I 552 00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,929 lived in longmont colorado and in the 553 00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:03,360 boulder area and really love that's a 554 00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:06,120 beautiful state yeah and it down in the 555 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:08,790 San Luis Valley if I'm thinking did I 556 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:10,290 say that right this is saying yes and 557 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:12,530 Louise that's where I Louise Valley yeah 558 00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:14,850 some awesome sightings down there and 559 00:26:20,539 --> 00:26:17,280 we've talked to a few people on this 560 00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:20,549 show that do talk about the activity 561 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:22,710 down there that's pretty fascinating but 562 00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:24,809 ok since was so far off topic let's try 563 00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:27,990 to get ourselves back into the year 2014 564 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:32,340 what is next you know I I just a 565 00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:34,410 mentioned because I've talked that more 566 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:37,400 length on other shows about this but you 567 00:26:41,659 --> 00:26:39,570 and I have already talked at length 568 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:41,669 about this because it's a recent story 569 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:46,710 but the astrobiology thing and the more 570 00:26:51,549 --> 00:26:49,050 scientists that are certain that they 571 00:26:54,610 --> 00:26:51,559 have found in meteorites for example 572 00:26:58,420 --> 00:26:54,620 microbes from marbs 573 00:27:00,130 --> 00:26:58,430 or the plankton on the ISS just more and 574 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:00,140 more scientists that are convinced that 575 00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,210 there is evidence if not proof for 576 00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:04,400 extraterrestrial life I think that's a 577 00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:06,620 really big story in 2014 because there's 578 00:27:10,810 --> 00:27:08,510 been a lot of movement there and 579 00:27:14,049 --> 00:27:10,820 there'll be more in fact my my colleague 580 00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:14,059 Jason predicts at 2015 will be the year 581 00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:16,660 of an official discovery of some sort I 582 00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:20,030 you know I tend to agree with Jason and 583 00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,830 yeah again this was a lunchtime 584 00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:24,320 conversation between about I think there 585 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:25,990 was eight of us seven or eight of us 586 00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:30,830 together at a table and we got into that 587 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:33,320 and one of the things I said I said we 588 00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:36,650 are so close to actually announcing that 589 00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:39,260 there is life out there you know 590 00:27:44,380 --> 00:27:40,790 discovered out there you know the 591 00:27:46,570 --> 00:27:44,390 methane on Mars all this stuff you know 592 00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:46,580 I'm going to go a little conspiratorial 593 00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,070 on you June or second well first you 594 00:27:57,820 --> 00:27:54,559 know we're always waiting to hear from 595 00:27:59,680 --> 00:27:57,830 the Mars rovers in you know there's 596 00:28:02,380 --> 00:27:59,690 there's some type of life discovery of 597 00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,390 life and and you know we don't hear 598 00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:04,640 anything then they had these NASA was 599 00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:06,710 you know announcing these like press 600 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:08,750 conferences big deal and all that and 601 00:28:14,169 --> 00:28:10,220 then end up being you know kind of 602 00:28:16,660 --> 00:28:14,179 deflated nothing special yeah and then 603 00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,670 this story comes out where you talk 604 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:18,559 about all these universities are looking 605 00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,130 at these possible microbes inside of a 606 00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:24,320 meteor and next thing you know the next 607 00:28:31,690 --> 00:28:29,600 week NASA finally says that there's you 608 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:31,700 know this new discovery on from the 609 00:28:36,270 --> 00:28:34,010 rover I mean the methane yeah the 610 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:36,280 methane it just kind of seems like 611 00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,890 they're getting nudged into actually you 612 00:28:43,210 --> 00:28:41,840 know that it's very conspiratorial what 613 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:43,220 I'm saying but it's almost like they're 614 00:28:47,890 --> 00:28:45,290 getting nudged into actually talking 615 00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:47,900 more about what they're finding you know 616 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:50,360 yeah well you since you went there you 617 00:28:57,730 --> 00:28:54,830 know last at a UFO Congress last this 618 00:28:58,990 --> 00:28:57,740 year actually we had and it was one of 619 00:29:00,700 --> 00:28:59,000 the bigger stories actually it went 620 00:29:04,510 --> 00:29:00,710 viral because Lee Spiegel is a part of 621 00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:04,520 it but we had Richard Hoover who was as 622 00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:06,920 an astronaut biologist for NASA he's 623 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:08,390 read since retired but he 624 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:10,970 works with this University of Buckingham 625 00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:13,310 which is kind of an Internet national 626 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:15,950 group of astrobiologists that say they 627 00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:18,350 have you know lots of evidence if not 628 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:22,190 proof for this he says that you know a 629 00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:25,190 rover I can't remember which years ago I 630 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:27,880 took pictures which they believed to be 631 00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:31,130 possibly fossils in a rock on Mars and 632 00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:33,820 then the rover destroyed the rock 633 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:36,980 supposedly on accident and he thinks 634 00:29:40,750 --> 00:29:39,050 possibly one of his colleagues did he 635 00:29:44,830 --> 00:29:40,760 did this on purpose because the guy 636 00:29:48,330 --> 00:29:44,840 disagreed with him so he feels that that 637 00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:48,340 in a sense was a cover-up so who knows 638 00:29:54,340 --> 00:29:52,070 yeah who knows in you know I think it's 639 00:29:58,210 --> 00:29:54,350 I think the information is coming at us 640 00:30:00,490 --> 00:29:58,220 sort of softly you know i mean it's it's 641 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:00,500 not yeah it's not going to be a the big 642 00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:03,850 huge surprise I don't believe because 643 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:06,620 we're just getting little tenets fed to 644 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:09,860 us and that may be purposely it may not 645 00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:12,170 be but I think that it's not going to 646 00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:13,460 it's definitely not going to be a 647 00:30:18,370 --> 00:30:15,620 meltdown of society if they find well 648 00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:18,380 you know we've got boobs yeah this year 649 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:22,700 an astronomer who wrote about religion 650 00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,490 and the idea of extraterrestrial life in 651 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:27,440 fact I've been lecturing on that this 652 00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:29,690 year because late last year I built a 653 00:30:35,740 --> 00:30:33,110 talk on that and a lot of what I 654 00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:35,750 reference is the work of dr. Ted Peters 655 00:30:43,150 --> 00:30:40,940 who is it a professor of theology and 656 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:43,160 he's done a survey to find out our 657 00:30:47,230 --> 00:30:44,690 religion is going to freak out and 658 00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:47,240 essentially his survey said know that 659 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:48,710 people are pretty much going to be okay 660 00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:49,850 with it they're not going to freak out 661 00:30:55,030 --> 00:30:52,360 at the level that some people say 662 00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:55,040 interesting enough he found that it's 663 00:31:00,120 --> 00:30:57,710 really the atheists people who identify 664 00:31:02,170 --> 00:31:00,130 themselves as atheists who are saying 665 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:02,180 religions are going to freak out but 666 00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:03,770 when you look at it they're really not 667 00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:06,260 going to have much of an issue he was 668 00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:09,320 inspired actually by the work of John 669 00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:16,550 Alexander's wife who did a more loosely 670 00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,940 done survey prior to his and Ted Peters 671 00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:21,360 was more 672 00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:24,820 academically done to get better better 673 00:31:29,129 --> 00:31:27,519 numbers around this stuff but yeah this 674 00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,139 guy who wrote the book recently had 675 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:31,360 similar things to say that most 676 00:31:36,509 --> 00:31:34,210 religions kind of have this in their 677 00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:36,519 religion so people aren't really going 678 00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:38,200 to kind of I think you know there's a 679 00:31:42,629 --> 00:31:39,580 spirit of people are going to jump up 680 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:42,639 and jump out of their car windows and 681 00:31:49,249 --> 00:31:45,490 off cliffs and stuff and we're probably 682 00:31:51,869 --> 00:31:49,259 going to be okay you know I i look at it 683 00:31:53,369 --> 00:31:51,879 myself and you know people are going to 684 00:31:55,259 --> 00:31:53,379 look at it differently what would it up 685 00:31:59,820 --> 00:31:55,269 turn remember who said the saying 686 00:32:01,470 --> 00:31:59,830 something about if we are alone or if we 687 00:32:04,289 --> 00:32:01,480 are not alone both are equally 688 00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:04,299 terrifying i'm really bored yeah but i 689 00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:07,269 personally am going to rejoice in the 690 00:32:13,019 --> 00:32:09,809 fact when it actually comes out that 691 00:32:16,049 --> 00:32:13,029 that there is evidence that there's life 692 00:32:17,789 --> 00:32:16,059 out there i'm going to rejoice because i 693 00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:17,799 don't want to be alone I don't want to 694 00:32:22,619 --> 00:32:21,070 spill on yeah you know yeah and it 695 00:32:24,330 --> 00:32:22,629 doesn't really I don't think it makes 696 00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:24,340 sense and I think you know more people 697 00:32:28,619 --> 00:32:26,529 are kind of even the atheists the most 698 00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:28,629 skeptical groups of all our kind of 699 00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,980 sitting back and taking that just 700 00:32:33,539 --> 00:32:31,360 doesn't make sense that we'd be alone 701 00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:33,549 than the numbers just aren't there and 702 00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:35,950 so yeah I think it's we've got some 703 00:32:43,049 --> 00:32:39,519 exciting times on that front ahead of us 704 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:43,059 I do too I do too so all right well 705 00:32:48,749 --> 00:32:46,450 let's continue along here okay well let 706 00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:48,759 me bring up maybe a couple stories that 707 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:50,980 are really cool ones that I haven't 708 00:32:56,539 --> 00:32:53,590 really talked about much else where the 709 00:33:02,249 --> 00:32:56,549 first one because i love this one is 710 00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:02,259 this kherson alums inaf do you know who 711 00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:04,659 that is I think I would remember that 712 00:33:11,460 --> 00:33:06,600 name no I don't think well you should 713 00:33:14,669 --> 00:33:11,470 because this guy for many years up until 714 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:14,679 like 2010 was the president of one of 715 00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:17,049 the Russian city are one of the Russian 716 00:33:25,409 --> 00:33:21,820 States he was elected that was before 717 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:25,419 now you know kind of akin to a mayor or 718 00:33:31,859 --> 00:33:28,210 well actually more like a governor but 719 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:31,869 now Putin elects or puts you know all of 720 00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:35,110 them in position but anyway 721 00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:39,670 he was a he says that in the 90s and he 722 00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,140 came out with this and he's been very 723 00:33:48,030 --> 00:33:43,840 open he's a millionaire self-made 724 00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:48,040 millionaire in this country that he was 725 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:50,860 a president and I look up the name of 726 00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,809 the country I forgot for right now I 727 00:33:59,419 --> 00:33:55,840 kalmykia and this is this country is 728 00:34:03,960 --> 00:33:59,429 really interesting because it's in the 729 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:03,970 western side of Russia Near Eastern 730 00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:07,090 Europe and the Middle East however it's 731 00:34:11,490 --> 00:34:09,100 a Buddhist country it's the only 732 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:11,500 Buddhist country and like the Eastern 733 00:34:15,389 --> 00:34:14,169 European area which is weird because you 734 00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:15,399 know there by the Middle East where 735 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:17,590 there's lots of Islamic countries as 736 00:34:24,030 --> 00:34:21,970 well but anyway this guy is also the 737 00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:24,040 president of the International Chess 738 00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:27,909 Federation he says that many years ago 739 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:31,119 he was abducted by aliens that these 740 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:34,510 aliens flew to his condo and Moscow and 741 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:36,730 picked him up they gave him this yellow 742 00:34:41,970 --> 00:34:40,450 uniform to wear he couldn't breathe so 743 00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:41,980 they motioned for him to adjust this 744 00:34:47,730 --> 00:34:44,980 dial on his uniform so he did and he 745 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:47,740 could breathe they flew around they had 746 00:34:52,379 --> 00:34:50,050 to go pick up some equipment on one 747 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:52,389 planet so he was along for the ride for 748 00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,730 this and then he said hey guys I got to 749 00:34:58,170 --> 00:34:56,800 get back i have a meeting tomorrow and 750 00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,180 they said okay no problem we'll get you 751 00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:00,640 back and they took him back and he says 752 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:03,369 they just wanted i think just for me to 753 00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,250 see that they are peaceful and they're 754 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:08,800 out there and then once were more 755 00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:10,510 evolved and peaceful that they'll come 756 00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:12,220 and they'll hang out with us essentially 757 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:14,230 and he's been saying this for a long 758 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:18,730 time they tried to one of his opponent 759 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:22,630 in the russian government tried to get 760 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:24,730 him in trouble and told Putin hey this 761 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:26,650 guy says he was talking to aliens how do 762 00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:29,170 we know he didn't give away any official 763 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:31,840 government secrets you know do we have 764 00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:34,570 some law against that and couldn't kind 765 00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:35,800 of blew him off because putting's 766 00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:40,030 friends with this guy so he's not 767 00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:42,040 president anymore but the reason why 768 00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,990 this is important is this international 769 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:45,760 chess federation which is a worldwide 770 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:48,310 organization the biggest deal in chess 771 00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,010 he was up for reelection for his 772 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:53,920 presidency and of course his opponent 773 00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,450 was saying this guy's crazy you know 774 00:36:00,750 --> 00:35:57,280 he's into aliens and all of this stuff 775 00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:00,760 but curse on one so he's still the 776 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:02,620 president of this organization and has 777 00:36:09,110 --> 00:36:07,210 been for like 20 years and that so he he 778 00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:09,120 got in the news again cuz he won 779 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:13,270 presidency once again and a funny thing 780 00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:15,430 is he thinks maybe chess is from space 781 00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:17,230 and created by extraterrestrials because 782 00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:20,230 he says the laws for chest are the same 783 00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:22,150 in every country and he thinks that's 784 00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:25,360 evidence that it's ed related so I think 785 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:27,430 this is cool this is an important 786 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:30,250 character in world affairs in fact 787 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:32,500 there's a picture of him playing chess 788 00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:35,890 with Gaddafi months before Gaddafi was 789 00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:41,500 killed Wow now it wasn't it wasn't it if 790 00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:43,660 I have it right and I'm trying to 791 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:47,230 remember the name of the i want to say 792 00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,320 blue something blue max the computer 793 00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:52,480 that played the Chess Champion what 794 00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:54,760 didn't that uh yeah I play against 795 00:37:00,890 --> 00:36:58,450 Russian some some of the someone from 796 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:00,900 Russia was really like one of the top 797 00:37:06,510 --> 00:37:03,130 chess champions in the world or 798 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:06,520 something I mean now total Blue Max or 799 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:09,490 what the heck was that thing I don't you 800 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:11,050 know I know what you're saying because 801 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:15,850 it's even like a test an AI type of test 802 00:37:23,790 --> 00:37:19,780 where um you know if a I can beat some 803 00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:23,800 human playing computer then that means 804 00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:25,540 the computers are about ready to take 805 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:27,160 over the world or something like that 806 00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:29,850 i'm not sure but yeah i guess he beat um 807 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:34,660 garry kasparov okay so yeah that was 808 00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:36,430 deep blue was the name and you know how 809 00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:39,750 I know it's not because I'm a genius 810 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:42,430 because I've got google here in front of 811 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:45,010 me but interesting enough this garry 812 00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:49,840 kasparov who lost he is the World Chess 813 00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:52,150 Champion and he's the guy who was 814 00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:55,480 running against kherson haha to be 815 00:38:00,180 --> 00:37:57,430 President of the Chess Federation so 816 00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:00,190 there is a link there but he lost how 817 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:02,080 about that yeah that is the 818 00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:03,490 it's kind of an overt over-the-top 819 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:06,340 statement for someone like him to make 820 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:09,310 it yeah what and what's interesting is 821 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:13,750 as Kasparov got upset over this election 822 00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:17,890 because Putin came to an event for 823 00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:21,550 Kearse on supporting him and you know 824 00:38:26,010 --> 00:38:24,220 doing some photo ops which helped cure 825 00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:26,020 son get reelected as the Chess 826 00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:28,660 Federation president so he was mad that 827 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:30,670 putting the Russian government was 828 00:38:35,550 --> 00:38:32,830 supporting a curse on but it's 829 00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:35,560 interesting that button well aware of 830 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:39,670 this extraterrestrial issue still is our 831 00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:41,410 friends with kherson and supports him 832 00:38:46,770 --> 00:38:43,870 now it seems to me it was maybe two 833 00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:46,780 years ago there was some type of a 834 00:38:54,270 --> 00:38:50,230 Russian politician that went on the 835 00:38:57,060 --> 00:38:54,280 record about about UFOs do you recall 836 00:39:00,900 --> 00:38:57,070 that I think there was a German in the 837 00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:00,910 in the EU that was pushing something but 838 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:03,640 I can't remember Yeah right now well 839 00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:05,650 like I'm sorry when this live and 840 00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:07,990 there's no wedding yeah this is the real 841 00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:13,150 us yeah sorry sorry yeah it's a real 842 00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,180 know you're sorry yeah alright so what 843 00:39:20,850 --> 00:39:18,640 what else what else did you dig into for 844 00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:20,860 know you said you had another you we had 845 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:22,390 more than one story that you didn't talk 846 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:24,130 about yeah here's what I didn't talk 847 00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,930 about it all with others and I think 848 00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:28,000 it's one I will see if you're aware of 849 00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:29,670 it because this is a really fun one to 850 00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:40,140 the abduction researcher John Mack and 851 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:43,120 that he's gonna write a book based on 852 00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:46,510 John max work I had no idea about this 853 00:39:53,490 --> 00:39:50,470 haha yeah so that's cool isn't this 854 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:53,500 interesting that is really something now 855 00:39:58,460 --> 00:39:55,330 there's a lot of people involved in 856 00:40:02,130 --> 00:39:58,470 things like this you know there's a 857 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:02,140 guest I had on last year that i want to 858 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,850 say her name is Diana I can't remember 859 00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:06,880 her name that's actually you know 860 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:10,060 putting together a movie about John Mack 861 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:12,970 as well yeah yeah that's right there's a 862 00:40:18,090 --> 00:40:15,730 book going on about it yep so 863 00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:18,100 so this is really great that is that's 864 00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:20,200 quite amazing Shannon something else 865 00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:23,470 he's like the energizer bunny he just 866 00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,369 keeps he keeps going you know yeah he's 867 00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:30,400 getting on in age and yeah and I I know 868 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:35,640 some of that that sold his kidney stone 869 00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:40,090 I'm not kidding um jus Shatner yes he 870 00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:43,480 went on this is kind of a funny story he 871 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:45,580 was on a talk show I want to say Jimmy 872 00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:48,250 Kimmel's or something in this auctioneer 873 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:50,830 friend of mine in Beverly Hills happen 874 00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:53,050 to be watching and it was either his 875 00:40:59,490 --> 00:40:55,720 kidney stone or something he had it in a 876 00:41:01,920 --> 00:40:59,500 little vial in the in the talk you know 877 00:41:04,349 --> 00:41:01,930 during the talk show and was holding it 878 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:04,359 up and like laughing well this 879 00:41:08,010 --> 00:41:06,490 auctioneer contacted him somehow through 880 00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:08,020 his publicist or whatever and said I 881 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:09,580 want to sell that at auction he got 882 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:11,530 something like seventy thousand dollars 883 00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:13,930 for it you're kidding no and the money 884 00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:16,990 went to benefit actually it went to some 885 00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:20,500 type of charity or something but wow 886 00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:24,940 crazy huh wow that's really wild yeah 887 00:41:29,609 --> 00:41:26,980 but this is cool so Shatner originally 888 00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:29,619 told Larry King about this that he was 889 00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:31,720 going to do a book about alien abduction 890 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:34,060 and then the Dallas Observer asked him 891 00:41:38,910 --> 00:41:36,670 more about it and he said the UFO book 892 00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,920 came from the work of a once is a quote 893 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:41,440 once tenured Harvard professor in 894 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:44,650 psychiat psychiatrist named John eMac 895 00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,420 who concluded after interviewing more 896 00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,880 than 200 subject who claimed that they 897 00:41:53,099 --> 00:41:50,800 were abducted by aliens that they were 898 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:53,109 telling the truth Mac died as a result 899 00:41:57,630 --> 00:41:55,570 of a hit-and-run accident before he 900 00:42:00,300 --> 00:41:57,640 could complete his work but he finished 901 00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:00,310 a thesis on the subject and Shatner 902 00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:01,780 thought it would be worth turning it 903 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:03,880 into a book so that's from the observer 904 00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:06,730 and then the quote from Shatner is that 905 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:09,580 he John Mack died 10 years ago leaving 906 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:11,650 this thesis and given all that we know 907 00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:13,900 and what we've discovered through just 908 00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:16,150 through observation there are strange 909 00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:17,740 mysterious things at work in the 910 00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:20,950 universe that we can't even imagine and 911 00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:25,630 UFOs may be part of that wow that is 912 00:42:29,490 --> 00:42:28,390 pretty cool yeah really cool so that's 913 00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:29,500 something interesting to 914 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:31,780 look forward to I'm not sure when this a 915 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:36,010 book will come out but maybe in 2015 but 916 00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:38,050 yeah how interesting is that that's 917 00:42:42,990 --> 00:42:41,470 awesome as awesome mm-hmm so I don't 918 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:43,000 know if we talked about this one moving 919 00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:44,650 on because you mentioned Jimmy Kimmel 920 00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:46,120 and that was of course Bill Clinton 921 00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:48,460 talking to jimmy kimmel I don't know we 922 00:42:54,810 --> 00:42:50,590 did I know that I brought it up but I 923 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:54,820 can't remember if I brought it up on one 924 00:43:00,330 --> 00:42:56,770 of the podcasts or not but yeah I saw 925 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:00,340 that mm-hmm yes that's really cool 926 00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:02,650 because he you know talked about UFOs 927 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:04,660 and Kimmel said you know I'd look into 928 00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:07,210 you opposed to jus Clinton said he sort 929 00:43:12,990 --> 00:43:09,670 of did he looked into the area 51 alien 930 00:43:14,430 --> 00:43:13,000 rumors and everything and he kind of 931 00:43:17,570 --> 00:43:14,440 said you know there may be life out 932 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:17,580 there he hopes it's not like 933 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:19,450 Independence Day and that they're nice 934 00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:21,970 guys but what's interesting and I don't 935 00:43:28,350 --> 00:43:25,030 know if you saw this that Ben Hansen 936 00:43:31,770 --> 00:43:28,360 from fact or faked did a voice analysis 937 00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:31,780 and there was some stress yeah yes yeah 938 00:43:37,860 --> 00:43:34,840 about that because first of all on Jimmy 939 00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:37,870 Kimmel of the one of the the first thing 940 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:40,150 he even says I think it's a very first 941 00:43:44,910 --> 00:43:43,090 thing he says to Clinton is hey if I was 942 00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:44,920 president the first thing I would do is 943 00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:46,900 check to see if there were UFOs and 944 00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:48,940 alien you know that's how we open the 945 00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:51,160 interview with them put him right on the 946 00:43:57,420 --> 00:43:55,030 spot and Ben Hansen was able to tell 947 00:44:00,240 --> 00:43:57,430 that Bill Clinton was stressed because 948 00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:00,250 Bill Clinton wet himself when Jimmy 949 00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:02,980 Kimmel asked him that question just 950 00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:06,400 kidding jazz kidding and I told you I'm 951 00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:09,220 not editing no that's like yeah you 952 00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:12,520 can't take that out but actually been 953 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:14,860 hansa did say that Clinton showed signs 954 00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:18,490 of significant apprehension stress and 955 00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:21,550 guarded behavior he admits he can't say 956 00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:23,950 why Clinton may have been stressed 957 00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:26,620 there's different reasons why that might 958 00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:29,230 be I know Ben Hansen very well I've seen 959 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:30,700 him talk on this and we've talked at 960 00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:33,610 this I on length but he says that you 961 00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:35,710 know it's possible that Clinton knows 962 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:38,680 more than he can reveal it's also 963 00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:41,050 possible that Clinton wants to know more 964 00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:43,500 but was denied the information 965 00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:46,360 or and those are some of the 966 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:48,340 possibilities a lot of people argue well 967 00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:51,610 he knew most likely what Kimmel was 968 00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:53,740 going to ask him so any stress must be 969 00:44:59,490 --> 00:44:56,380 related to something like that who knows 970 00:45:01,320 --> 00:44:59,500 but yeah it's really interesting i think 971 00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:01,330 what's interesting of course i think i 972 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:05,980 said this I'm coast to coast but that 973 00:45:09,870 --> 00:45:08,050 there have been quotes from Bill Clinton 974 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:09,880 such as in Hong Kong where he said you 975 00:45:13,830 --> 00:45:11,410 know things like when he talked about 976 00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:13,840 UFOs I didn't find anything they told me 977 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:15,940 there was nothing to it but I wouldn't 978 00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:18,490 be the first president that career 979 00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:23,260 bureaucrats have lied to hmm pom pom pom 980 00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:27,400 yeah absolutely well yeah I thought that 981 00:45:32,490 --> 00:45:30,820 you know I thought Clinton was really if 982 00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,500 the whole situation was really 983 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:34,960 interesting when he actually attempted 984 00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:37,330 to get somewhere with it and I can't 985 00:45:42,810 --> 00:45:40,510 remember the name of the person that he 986 00:45:46,530 --> 00:45:42,820 was having actually look into a deeper 987 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:46,540 for him I wish I did a little research 988 00:45:52,860 --> 00:45:49,570 before we did the show but oh there was 989 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:52,870 a Hubble all right his friend yeah yes 990 00:45:58,350 --> 00:45:55,930 yep who didn't find anything I guess 991 00:46:01,590 --> 00:45:58,360 right but isn't I believe there is a 992 00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:01,600 picture somewhere on the internet of of 993 00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:05,740 the Clintons walking with Rockefeller 994 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:10,510 holding there is one and that was I got 995 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:13,690 to kind of release that story because it 996 00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:16,930 was actually done by a tonio cusine I'm 997 00:46:22,290 --> 00:46:18,910 probably saying his name wrong but a 998 00:46:25,530 --> 00:46:22,300 researcher who had boundless and posted 999 00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:25,540 it in a forum and he let me post it as a 1000 00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:27,460 story but yeah it's Hillary Clinton 1001 00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:29,710 talking with Laurance Rockefeller 1002 00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:33,790 holding a book from paul davies who is 1003 00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:36,630 at with SETI and it's about 1004 00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:38,980 extraterrestrial life and if it exists 1005 00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:41,740 that sort of thing and we all know 1006 00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:45,240 laurance rockefeller funded some UFO 1007 00:46:49,950 --> 00:46:47,830 initiatives and it was really into the 1008 00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:49,960 topic and was get it you know wrote some 1009 00:46:56,220 --> 00:46:53,080 letters to get the Clintons to talk 1010 00:46:57,029 --> 00:46:56,230 about UFOs so that might have been some 1011 00:46:59,789 --> 00:46:57,039 of their 1012 00:47:03,259 --> 00:46:59,799 discussion right right really 1013 00:47:05,759 --> 00:47:03,269 fascinating yeah very much so yep and 1014 00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,769 you know there was one thing that we I 1015 00:47:09,989 --> 00:47:07,839 don't believe you I know you and I 1016 00:47:12,329 --> 00:47:09,999 haven't talked about it but from what I 1017 00:47:16,439 --> 00:47:12,339 understand Will Smith son was uh 1018 00:47:18,179 --> 00:47:16,449 actually in in Obama's office and asked 1019 00:47:20,819 --> 00:47:18,189 him about aliens did you ever hear 1020 00:47:23,189 --> 00:47:20,829 anything about that yeah that was one of 1021 00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:23,199 our biggest stories actually that story 1022 00:47:30,479 --> 00:47:26,400 went viral of course other people did it 1023 00:47:32,669 --> 00:47:30,489 years ago wasn't it yeah and it but not 1024 00:47:34,769 --> 00:47:32,679 much let's see I think it's even on our 1025 00:47:39,299 --> 00:47:34,779 front page because it's in our most 1026 00:47:42,299 --> 00:47:39,309 popular stories because yeah and and so 1027 00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,309 what happened i think is somebody maybe 1028 00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:44,079 even Will Smith posted it on his 1029 00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:47,369 facebook we couldn't tell who did it but 1030 00:47:52,589 --> 00:47:50,169 Facebook brought us tons and tons of 1031 00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,599 traffic on this story but yeah 1032 00:47:59,880 --> 00:47:55,119 essentially what happened is first his 1033 00:48:02,669 --> 00:47:59,890 dad well Will Smith told the story first 1034 00:48:04,919 --> 00:48:02,679 he said that we went to go visit the 1035 00:48:07,859 --> 00:48:04,929 president when we were in the Situation 1036 00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:07,869 Room my son I told my son don't ask him 1037 00:48:12,689 --> 00:48:10,089 about UFOs I know you're into it just 1038 00:48:15,059 --> 00:48:12,699 don't do it and I son did it anyway and 1039 00:48:17,819 --> 00:48:15,069 he laughed about it and that was a story 1040 00:48:19,709 --> 00:48:17,829 well a few months later Jaden Smith 1041 00:48:20,969 --> 00:48:19,719 talked about it because somebody asked 1042 00:48:22,979 --> 00:48:20,979 him well what did you tell the president 1043 00:48:25,469 --> 00:48:22,989 and it's funny because Jaden Smith said 1044 00:48:27,809 --> 00:48:25,479 well I wanted to ask the president so 1045 00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:27,819 when we got in the Situation Room I said 1046 00:48:33,449 --> 00:48:31,599 are you of our aliens real and Obama 1047 00:48:35,849 --> 00:48:33,459 looked at him and smiled and said I can 1048 00:48:39,449 --> 00:48:35,859 neither confirm nor deny their existence 1049 00:48:42,749 --> 00:48:39,459 and so Jaden Smith said to me that means 1050 00:48:46,049 --> 00:48:42,759 they're real he confirmed to me they're 1051 00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,059 real he just couldn't say it so yeah 1052 00:48:51,689 --> 00:48:48,880 pretty funny I'm sure he was joking you 1053 00:48:54,569 --> 00:48:51,699 know obama i think obama was joking but 1054 00:48:58,649 --> 00:48:54,579 i think jayden smith was serious you oh 1055 00:49:00,719 --> 00:48:58,659 yeah yeah I think so too and yeah that 1056 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:00,729 is a pretty pretty funny situation and 1057 00:49:05,069 --> 00:49:03,130 Will Smith being and whoa god I'm 1058 00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,079 forgetting dependent stain dependence 1059 00:49:09,799 --> 00:49:08,319 day he drags the alien out and yeah 1060 00:49:11,749 --> 00:49:09,809 pretty funny sad 1061 00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:11,759 said he stinks or something I can yeah 1062 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:14,910 yeah a lot of fun so what else is what 1063 00:49:20,029 --> 00:49:17,130 else has happened that comes to mind 1064 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:20,039 well here's one that I'll talk about and 1065 00:49:25,249 --> 00:49:22,170 I didn't really read a whole lot but I 1066 00:49:28,009 --> 00:49:25,259 luckily I've rodek or whoever wrote this 1067 00:49:30,999 --> 00:49:28,019 story wasn't me oh no this was written 1068 00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:31,009 by epoch times and they let us repost it 1069 00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,609 but the WikiLeaks did have some UFOs and 1070 00:49:40,759 --> 00:49:38,400 et files but they weren't as exciting as 1071 00:49:43,099 --> 00:49:40,769 people thought of course you really did 1072 00:49:46,959 --> 00:49:43,109 you know yeah those rumors about it 1073 00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,969 there were rumors about it and I think 1074 00:49:52,339 --> 00:49:49,920 Assange even had some sort of comment on 1075 00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:52,349 it but it was really like something like 1076 00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:54,209 oh yeah there's some UFO idiots or 1077 00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:55,859 something like that had something in 1078 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:00,119 there it was really disparaging hmm but 1079 00:50:03,979 --> 00:50:01,890 they're not as exciting as you think one 1080 00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:03,989 of them is kind of exciting but they 1081 00:50:14,749 --> 00:50:10,910 were essentially just references um to 1082 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:14,759 UFOs kind of news story clippings so one 1083 00:50:19,630 --> 00:50:16,170 of them talked about a prominent 1084 00:50:22,579 --> 00:50:19,640 Lithuanian politician who said UFOs 1085 00:50:25,459 --> 00:50:22,589 directed by Russians to exert influence 1086 00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,469 so kind of a a new story about this 1087 00:50:31,209 --> 00:50:27,599 weird Lithuanian politician who said 1088 00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:31,219 that the Russians are using ETS 1089 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:34,049 essentially and I think he was kind of 1090 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:38,609 joking around and being silly but there 1091 00:50:44,059 --> 00:50:42,569 were also stories on the Raelians there 1092 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:44,069 was some clips on you know just some 1093 00:50:48,019 --> 00:50:46,170 talk about the Raelians and then there 1094 00:50:51,919 --> 00:50:48,029 was another story and this one's kind of 1095 00:50:56,959 --> 00:50:51,929 more interesting the Belarusian Minister 1096 00:51:00,439 --> 00:50:56,969 of Defence wrote about in a cable about 1097 00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,449 Japan's chief cabinet secretary ma 1098 00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:03,359 Kimura who believes that 1099 00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:06,660 extraterrestrials have flown ufos near 1100 00:51:14,359 --> 00:51:09,599 near the earth and just this guy who 1101 00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:14,369 really believes in UFOs that is part of 1102 00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:17,369 the Japanese government and that was 1103 00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:19,140 about it so it wasn't really anything 1104 00:51:23,810 --> 00:51:21,689 groundbreaking but we did find out this 1105 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:23,820 year that there were some UFO 1106 00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:27,290 he leaks you know there's so many 1107 00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:30,990 documents that they have and the same 1108 00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:32,520 thing with Snowden you know it keeps 1109 00:51:38,030 --> 00:51:34,830 coming on also over and over again that 1110 00:51:42,020 --> 00:51:38,040 he found UFO documents and you know it's 1111 00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:42,030 a hoax or whatever but there's just so 1112 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:45,150 many things to go through you know that 1113 00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:47,370 you know classified documents for 1114 00:51:52,550 --> 00:51:50,700 instance to go through that I don't even 1115 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:52,560 know how you'd find something unless it 1116 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:54,810 was all electronic and you could search 1117 00:51:58,610 --> 00:51:56,490 that way that just seems like there's no 1118 00:52:02,120 --> 00:51:58,620 other way you can't sort through a 1119 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:02,130 mountain of papers to find the word you 1120 00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:03,810 know UFO or they could be calling it 1121 00:52:11,540 --> 00:52:08,070 something else about yeah yeah a bogey 1122 00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:11,550 bogey or something yeah mmhmm yeah yeah 1123 00:52:15,070 --> 00:52:12,990 you're right you know one of the big 1124 00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:15,080 stories this year was Rendlesham forest 1125 00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:18,180 not just the book coming out but you 1126 00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:19,830 know I think we talked about this John 1127 00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:22,740 Burroughs doing some work to find out 1128 00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:25,500 that he had found this in the past that 1129 00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:29,040 his military records he's a witness to 1130 00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:31,260 the Rendlesham forest UFO with other 1131 00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:34,920 military witnesses in the UK he was a 1132 00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:38,160 u.s. airman at the time and his military 1133 00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:40,230 records including his medical records 1134 00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:42,270 had disappeared this was a concern for 1135 00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:44,310 him because he has heart problems that 1136 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:46,440 he may be believes and has been told 1137 00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:49,410 maybe related to possible exposure to 1138 00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:53,460 radiation so he thought it was related 1139 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:55,380 possibly to the UFO and they said you 1140 00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:56,970 weren't even in the military at that 1141 00:53:03,200 --> 00:52:59,460 time of course he was he was able to 1142 00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:03,210 petition different politicians including 1143 00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,600 John McCain John McCain's office was 1144 00:53:10,610 --> 00:53:08,400 able to correct that to show he was in 1145 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:10,620 the military which he was I don't I'm 1146 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:13,290 sorry to sort of cut in here but we did 1147 00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:15,510 have John on just a couple weeks oh ok 1148 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:18,780 ok I'm do all this and but just a little 1149 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:21,690 follow-up from that it's one of the most 1150 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:25,530 downloaded shows I had actually job I 1151 00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:28,290 mean Colonel halt in him and they kind 1152 00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:30,660 of hashed out a couple of things there 1153 00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:32,460 and then there was a there was some oh 1154 00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:34,980 that's right I'm telling you that show 1155 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:37,300 has just absolutely gone viral 1156 00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:41,650 good so so it you know that is 1157 00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:44,700 interesting and but related to files 1158 00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:47,920 exact to another story you know he's 1159 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:50,520 getting the mo d files released but 1160 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:53,410 another good story related to files is 1161 00:54:00,690 --> 00:53:57,370 John Greenwald with the black vault who 1162 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:00,700 petitioned the NSA they were they had to 1163 00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:04,530 release it was part of a big a lawsuit 1164 00:54:10,770 --> 00:54:07,720 by cause and Peter gherkin Gersten to 1165 00:54:12,570 --> 00:54:10,780 release some UFO files they finally did 1166 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:12,580 but these files were heavily redacted 1167 00:54:17,580 --> 00:54:15,090 most everything's wide it out and 1168 00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:17,590 Stanton Friedman shows a file from this 1169 00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:20,980 case it's all blacked out but so 1170 00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:23,590 Greenwald went in to say hey now you can 1171 00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:25,840 you know unwind out some of those and 1172 00:54:30,090 --> 00:54:27,430 give us more information on those files 1173 00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:30,100 the NSA finally got back to him and said 1174 00:54:36,330 --> 00:54:34,030 sorry we lost them right so the NSA says 1175 00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:36,340 they lost all their UFO files these 1176 00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:38,700 files that were the centerpiece of a big 1177 00:54:44,010 --> 00:54:42,220 even it was a media event where they 1178 00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:44,020 were getting sued for these files and 1179 00:54:50,190 --> 00:54:46,870 how crazy is that that that is 1180 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:50,200 absolutely insane very forced writing 1181 00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:52,690 with you you know I think this is just 1182 00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:54,430 about going to do it for the first hour 1183 00:55:01,440 --> 00:54:57,910 here okay and again you know thank you 1184 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:01,450 so much for this of this recap and we'll 1185 00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:04,330 be talking next week but thanks for all 1186 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:09,040 your hard work I get a lot of email from 1187 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:10,930 listeners that say they just really 1188 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:12,610 enjoy you on the show and I want to give 1189 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:13,930 a special thanks to you for all that 1190 00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:17,010 you've done what's my absolute pleasure 1191 00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:19,990 it's been great getting to know you and 1192 00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:23,680 I love being part of the show and so 1193 00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:26,950 it's my pleasure thank you for doing 1194 00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:30,820 what you do I get a good kid thanks and 1195 00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:33,840 so that's it for this part of the show 1196 00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:37,180 hang in and we'll be right back with the 1197 00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:41,470 second part with Andy Fleming he's going 1198 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:44,100 to be talking to us about ufology in 1199 00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:47,650 2014 after that I play several clips 1200 00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:49,900 from some shows that i really enjoyed 1201 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:50,710 this 1202 00:55:56,339 --> 00:55:52,330 last year and I hope you'll find them 1203 00:55:59,960 --> 00:55:56,349 enjoyable as well let's see who i have i 1204 00:56:02,700 --> 00:55:59,970 have Jeffrey Bennett Kevin Randall oh 1205 00:56:04,349 --> 00:56:02,710 boy I can't remember who and I'm right 1206 00:56:08,609 --> 00:56:04,359 up against the deadline here to get this 1207 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:08,619 up for your listening experience so just 1208 00:56:44,709 --> 00:56:10,690 hang in just one second and we'll be 1209 00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:46,879 here we are in the second part of the 1210 00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,079 show and I have a good friend across the 1211 00:56:55,819 --> 00:56:51,839 pond Andy Fleming and he's coming up 1212 00:56:59,029 --> 00:56:55,829 talking to us about 2014 the reflection 1213 00:57:01,099 --> 00:56:59,039 and you follow him son of the it passes 1214 00:57:03,649 --> 00:57:01,109 and listens have been treated to some 1215 00:57:06,229 --> 00:57:03,659 fascinating podcast from Martin crew and 1216 00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:06,239 guests about those most elusive of 1217 00:57:12,019 --> 00:57:10,529 objects UFOs the program is especially 1218 00:57:14,299 --> 00:57:12,029 poignant to those of us who have 1219 00:57:16,369 --> 00:57:14,309 experienced our own personal sightings 1220 00:57:19,099 --> 00:57:16,379 and has searched for some sort of 1221 00:57:21,799 --> 00:57:19,109 closure truth or explanation about what 1222 00:57:24,019 --> 00:57:21,809 we've seen although I'm no further 1223 00:57:26,869 --> 00:57:24,029 forward in my own search for answers I 1224 00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:26,879 know that I saw what I saw and I also 1225 00:57:31,669 --> 00:57:29,249 know that I'm in good company with the 1226 00:57:33,799 --> 00:57:31,679 millions of other people worldwide he'll 1227 00:57:37,339 --> 00:57:33,809 have seen strange objects and lights in 1228 00:57:40,009 --> 00:57:37,349 the sky as an amateur astronomer I also 1229 00:57:42,019 --> 00:57:40,019 know the night sky well and so could 1230 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:42,029 immediately discount astronomical 1231 00:57:48,379 --> 00:57:45,569 objects in my own case my own sighting 1232 00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:48,389 was one of the enigmatic triangles a 1233 00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:51,599 large v-shaped formation of five orange 1234 00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,689 red lights evenly spaced slightly east 1235 00:57:59,929 --> 00:57:57,119 of zenith and moving extremely slowly in 1236 00:58:02,289 --> 00:57:59,939 the northwest southeast direction of the 1237 00:58:04,909 --> 00:58:02,299 course of about a quarter of an hour 1238 00:58:06,709 --> 00:58:04,919 mezmorized I began to realize that the 1239 00:58:09,229 --> 00:58:06,719 lights are actually attached to a single 1240 00:58:12,289 --> 00:58:09,239 object as they move silently in an 1241 00:58:14,149 --> 00:58:12,299 unchanging distance from one another the 1242 00:58:16,699 --> 00:58:14,159 lights were fixed on the objects 1243 00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:16,709 periphery which was black and solid 1244 00:58:20,509 --> 00:58:19,049 blocking out background star so it 1245 00:58:23,389 --> 00:58:20,519 couldn't have been a high-flying 1246 00:58:25,939 --> 00:58:23,399 formation of jet aircraft judging 1247 00:58:27,739 --> 00:58:25,949 altitude and spatial characteristics in 1248 00:58:30,109 --> 00:58:27,749 the atmosphere at any time is very 1249 00:58:32,989 --> 00:58:30,119 difficult with the naked eye especially 1250 00:58:34,909 --> 00:58:32,999 it nice but i would estimate height in 1251 00:58:37,429 --> 00:58:34,919 thousands rather than hundreds of feet 1252 00:58:41,629 --> 00:58:37,439 and size in a couple of football field 1253 00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:41,639 dimensions it was indeed massive there 1254 00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,319 were other witnesses to the strange 1255 00:58:48,279 --> 00:58:45,599 object that visited the night sky of 1256 00:58:51,529 --> 00:58:48,289 northeast England that April night in 1257 00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:51,539 2009 some have suggested it was a 1258 00:58:55,059 --> 00:58:54,299 stealth blimp the mystical stealth black 1259 00:58:58,329 --> 00:58:55,069 man 1260 00:59:02,620 --> 00:58:58,339 cr3 be black ops aircraft or similar or 1261 00:59:04,329 --> 00:59:02,630 even an alien spacecraft the fact is I 1262 00:59:06,699 --> 00:59:04,339 really don't know but what I do know is 1263 00:59:08,769 --> 00:59:06,709 that announcing your sighting can stir 1264 00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:08,779 up ridicule amongst family friends and 1265 00:59:13,479 --> 00:59:11,630 colleagues they won't be afraid to to 1266 00:59:16,449 --> 00:59:13,489 explain your sighting are they it was 1267 00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:16,459 either Chinese London satellites meteors 1268 00:59:21,699 --> 00:59:19,609 or aircraft what it couldn't be was an 1269 00:59:23,410 --> 00:59:21,709 alien spacecraft because everyone knows 1270 00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:23,420 that they can't get from there to here 1271 00:59:29,410 --> 00:59:26,900 because of the distances also they say 1272 00:59:32,170 --> 00:59:29,420 as though both ourselves and other 1273 00:59:35,259 --> 00:59:32,180 speculative intelligent species will be 1274 00:59:39,309 --> 00:59:35,269 limited to human 2014 propulsion 1275 00:59:41,499 --> 00:59:39,319 technology forever what podcast UFO and 1276 00:59:43,989 --> 00:59:41,509 other similar shows have given me is a 1277 00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:43,999 deep respect for many of the witnesses 1278 00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:47,150 of the more high-profile sightings many 1279 00:59:51,819 --> 00:59:48,640 of whom have seen their lives 1280 00:59:54,279 --> 00:59:51,829 irrevocably change and often not for the 1281 00:59:56,709 --> 00:59:54,289 better after announcing what they saw 1282 00:59:59,949 --> 00:59:56,719 whether they are scientists politicians 1283 01:00:03,249 --> 00:59:59,959 or military personnel the result is 1284 01:00:06,219 --> 01:00:03,259 often ridicule and wrecked careers now 1285 01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:06,229 here's a thought for 2015 and some 1286 01:00:11,469 --> 01:00:08,209 ultimately I found myself increasingly 1287 01:00:13,989 --> 01:00:11,479 asking the question in a civilization 1288 01:00:16,479 --> 01:00:13,999 like Al's which is grasper materialist 1289 01:00:18,249 --> 01:00:16,489 reductionism can science explain 1290 01:00:21,189 --> 01:00:18,259 everything there is to know about 1291 01:00:24,420 --> 01:00:21,199 sentian life our world and the vast 1292 01:00:27,549 --> 01:00:24,430 cosmos of which we are conscious part or 1293 01:00:30,279 --> 01:00:27,559 is there more to existence than purely 1294 01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:30,289 the physical does then a theory of 1295 01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:32,809 everything that includes relativity and 1296 01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:36,079 quantum physics also need to include a 1297 01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:38,660 spiritual component taking into account 1298 01:00:44,439 --> 01:00:41,569 the cosmos within our brains and those 1299 01:00:47,469 --> 01:00:44,449 of other sentient beings a happy new 1300 01:00:50,349 --> 01:00:47,479 years you will you too Andy happy new 1301 01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:50,359 year and thanks for all you did for 2014 1302 01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:51,529 looking forward to having you back 1303 01:00:58,059 --> 01:00:55,249 plenty in 2015 especially since we have 1304 01:01:01,299 --> 01:00:58,069 a two-hour show now next we're going to 1305 01:01:04,809 --> 01:01:01,309 be hearing a clip back in 2014 from 1306 01:01:07,299 --> 01:01:04,819 Jeffrey Bennett he's an astrophysicist I 1307 01:01:08,380 --> 01:01:07,309 met him down in North Carolina great guy 1308 01:01:10,450 --> 01:01:08,390 sharp as a 1309 01:01:13,329 --> 01:01:10,460 back and he was really fun to have on 1310 01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:13,339 the show I really like when a mainstream 1311 01:01:18,220 --> 01:01:16,430 scientists I would call him hasn't 1312 01:01:22,049 --> 01:01:18,230 opened an up mind to think that it's 1313 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:22,059 possible that we may be visited by 1314 01:01:27,789 --> 01:01:25,250 extraterrestrial intelligences or if we 1315 01:01:30,460 --> 01:01:27,799 haven't yet that darn it sooner or later 1316 01:01:32,109 --> 01:01:30,470 are going to be here he is one of the 1317 01:01:34,809 --> 01:01:32,119 things up that I'd like for you to talk 1318 01:01:38,650 --> 01:01:34,819 about is and I heard you talk about this 1319 01:01:40,539 --> 01:01:38,660 in North Carolina is why there has to be 1320 01:01:42,759 --> 01:01:40,549 life out there can you just kind of go 1321 01:01:45,069 --> 01:01:42,769 into that a little bit and by the way 1322 01:01:47,799 --> 01:01:45,079 anyone listening live you can jump right 1323 01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:47,809 over to podcast UFO calm and join right 1324 01:01:52,299 --> 01:01:50,750 in and our chat room well the reason I 1325 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:52,309 say that there has to be life out there 1326 01:01:56,259 --> 01:01:54,170 you know there's a couple of different 1327 01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:56,269 reasons I can go through some of the 1328 01:02:00,579 --> 01:01:57,920 science and I'll do that in a moment but 1329 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:00,589 on a more fundamental level one of the 1330 01:02:05,529 --> 01:02:02,210 things that's happened in the history of 1331 01:02:07,569 --> 01:02:05,539 science is long long time ago we thought 1332 01:02:09,339 --> 01:02:07,579 we were really special that we lived on 1333 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:09,349 a world that was the center of the 1334 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:12,170 universe which therefore meant we were 1335 01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,410 also the center of the universe and 1336 01:02:18,999 --> 01:02:16,640 throughout history we've been learning 1337 01:02:21,339 --> 01:02:19,009 every time that that's not quite right 1338 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:21,349 first we learned that earth is a planet 1339 01:02:24,910 --> 01:02:23,450 going around the Sun not the center of 1340 01:02:27,309 --> 01:02:24,920 the universe then we learned that the 1341 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:27,319 Sun is not the center of the galaxy just 1342 01:02:32,049 --> 01:02:30,410 one of 100 billion stars in the galaxy 1343 01:02:33,339 --> 01:02:32,059 then we learned that our galaxy is not 1344 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:33,349 the whole universe that there's a 1345 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:35,210 hundred billion other galaxies in the 1346 01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:38,569 universe so we've through history kept 1347 01:02:43,539 --> 01:02:40,190 learning that there's nothing 1348 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:43,549 particularly special about us and given 1349 01:02:49,450 --> 01:02:46,250 the vast number of other worlds that are 1350 01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:49,460 out there to me it just would seem 1351 01:02:54,490 --> 01:02:52,640 almost impossible to believe that this 1352 01:02:56,829 --> 01:02:54,500 could be the only place where life is 1353 01:03:00,400 --> 01:02:56,839 you might remember from Carl Sagan's 1354 01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:00,410 novel and movie contact where they said 1355 01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:02,809 what a waste of space that would be if 1356 01:03:08,410 --> 01:03:04,910 we were the only life so I think right 1357 01:03:11,620 --> 01:03:08,420 off the bat it it's gonna seem to almost 1358 01:03:12,849 --> 01:03:11,630 anyone who looks at the size of the 1359 01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:12,859 universe that there's got to be other 1360 01:03:17,170 --> 01:03:15,200 life but now we can investigate it in 1361 01:03:18,940 --> 01:03:17,180 more detail scientifically we can look 1362 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:18,950 at the question of are there really 1363 01:03:23,740 --> 01:03:22,010 other planets that are capable of 1364 01:03:25,870 --> 01:03:23,750 having conditions like earth on which 1365 01:03:28,090 --> 01:03:25,880 they could have life and in the last 1366 01:03:30,550 --> 01:03:28,100 couple of years thanks to the Kepler 1367 01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:30,560 mission we have discovered dozens of 1368 01:03:34,750 --> 01:03:32,510 such planets and the statistics show 1369 01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:34,760 that there must be at least 40 billion 1370 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:36,950 or more such planets in our galaxy alone 1371 01:03:41,410 --> 01:03:39,530 and then you can say what if you have 1372 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:41,420 the conditions for life will you get 1373 01:03:46,570 --> 01:03:44,330 life and that requires understanding the 1374 01:03:50,740 --> 01:03:46,580 origin of life on Earth and while we 1375 01:03:53,650 --> 01:03:50,750 don't know exactly how life on earth 1376 01:03:55,780 --> 01:03:53,660 started and perhaps we never will what 1377 01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:55,790 we do know from laboratory experiments 1378 01:04:01,210 --> 01:03:58,640 today is that it seems like it wasn't 1379 01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:01,220 that difficult the molecules that make 1380 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:04,310 life form easily under the natural 1381 01:04:07,870 --> 01:04:06,170 conditions that existed on the early 1382 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:07,880 Earth so you put all those ideas 1383 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:09,770 together and you're going to just be led 1384 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:12,890 to the conclusion that you expect life 1385 01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:16,730 to be common throughout the universe now 1386 01:04:21,970 --> 01:04:19,310 one of the things that you know a lot of 1387 01:04:25,870 --> 01:04:21,980 people that are skeptical of the subject 1388 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:25,880 that or i should say the question of are 1389 01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:28,010 we being visited or is it possible that 1390 01:04:32,740 --> 01:04:30,260 we're being visited now i know that you 1391 01:04:35,650 --> 01:04:32,750 made a scale model of the solar system 1392 01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:35,660 and can you talk a little bit about that 1393 01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:38,960 because the distance between your scale 1394 01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:40,990 model and where the first star would be 1395 01:04:47,830 --> 01:04:44,720 is quite amazing can you just talk about 1396 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:47,840 that sure so we've built the my 1397 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:49,730 colleague Jeff Goldstein and I or behind 1398 01:04:53,350 --> 01:04:51,650 a project where we put the voyage scale 1399 01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,360 model solar system on the national mall 1400 01:04:57,850 --> 01:04:56,000 in washington DC and we have a half a 1401 01:05:00,130 --> 01:04:57,860 dozen other communities that have 1402 01:05:02,050 --> 01:05:00,140 replicas of the model and we're actually 1403 01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:02,060 looking for many more so hopefully 1404 01:05:05,980 --> 01:05:03,710 people out there will be thinking about 1405 01:05:08,350 --> 01:05:05,990 that but what what we do is we build the 1406 01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,360 solar system on a scale of one to ten 1407 01:05:12,850 --> 01:05:10,160 billion so we're shrinking everything 1408 01:05:16,030 --> 01:05:12,860 down 10 billion times and on that scale 1409 01:05:18,340 --> 01:05:16,040 the Sun becomes about the size of a 1410 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:18,350 large grapefruit and earth becomes 1411 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:21,290 smaller than the ball point in a pen and 1412 01:05:26,850 --> 01:05:24,290 Earth on that scale is located about 15 1413 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:26,860 meters from the Sun 16 and a half yards 1414 01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:29,090 so you can kind of picture that picture 1415 01:05:34,170 --> 01:05:33,680 of big grapefruit with 16 yards away a 1416 01:05:36,510 --> 01:05:34,180 tiny 1417 01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:36,520 little ball point located and that's 1418 01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:39,160 going around it in a circle once a year 1419 01:05:43,020 --> 01:05:40,960 and that's kind of what our orbit around 1420 01:05:44,670 --> 01:05:43,030 the Sun looks like now if you keep 1421 01:05:47,220 --> 01:05:44,680 walking through the solar system of 1422 01:05:49,410 --> 01:05:47,230 course between Earth and the Sun you'll 1423 01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:49,420 find Mercury and Venus once you walk 1424 01:05:55,770 --> 01:05:52,660 past the earth you'll encounter Mars 1425 01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:55,780 Jupiter Saturn Uranus and Neptune and we 1426 01:06:00,360 --> 01:05:57,310 actually have pluto in the model so 1427 01:06:02,310 --> 01:06:00,370 we'll continue on to Pluto and you'll 1428 01:06:05,790 --> 01:06:02,320 have walked a total of about a third of 1429 01:06:09,150 --> 01:06:05,800 a mile from the Sun Caputo on this scale 1430 01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:09,160 now remember Pluto we have not yet sent 1431 01:06:14,970 --> 01:06:12,070 a spacecraft past but we have one on the 1432 01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:14,980 way it will go past next July the New 1433 01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:17,800 Horizons mission it's the fastest thing 1434 01:06:22,980 --> 01:06:20,230 humans have ever built it's traveling 1435 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:22,990 50,000 kilometers per hour and that 1436 01:06:30,780 --> 01:06:26,850 journey from Earth to Pluto is still a 1437 01:06:32,460 --> 01:06:30,790 nine-year journey but in this model it's 1438 01:06:35,250 --> 01:06:32,470 only a third of a mile it's a few 1439 01:06:40,110 --> 01:06:35,260 minutes to walk where's the next star on 1440 01:06:43,710 --> 01:06:40,120 this same scale the next star is 2,500 1441 01:06:47,550 --> 01:06:43,720 miles away the distance across the 1442 01:06:50,910 --> 01:06:47,560 United States so in order for aliens to 1443 01:06:52,260 --> 01:06:50,920 be visiting us from other stars and 1444 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:52,270 they're not coming from our own solar 1445 01:06:56,430 --> 01:06:54,730 system we've photographed every major 1446 01:06:58,680 --> 01:06:56,440 world on the solar system in enough 1447 01:07:00,330 --> 01:06:58,690 detail now that if there were any cities 1448 01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:00,340 or anything we'd have seen them by now 1449 01:07:05,220 --> 01:07:02,800 so any visiting aliens have to be coming 1450 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:05,230 from other star systems and that means 1451 01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,650 they're traveling on this scale the 1452 01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:10,480 equivalent of across the United States 1453 01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:13,390 when it takes us nine years to send a 1454 01:07:17,490 --> 01:07:15,760 spaceship a third of a mile and the 1455 01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,500 farthest a human being has ever gone 1456 01:07:23,010 --> 01:07:19,680 from earth to the moon on this scale is 1457 01:07:24,810 --> 01:07:23,020 barely over an inch so the farthest a 1458 01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:24,820 human being is is that what you're just 1459 01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:26,620 saying on this scale yes on this scale 1460 01:07:34,170 --> 01:07:31,510 and then the the further the nearest 1461 01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,180 star and you would consider that there's 1462 01:07:38,250 --> 01:07:36,640 a lot more stars out there and for the 1463 01:07:41,610 --> 01:07:38,260 nearest star to actually Harbor life 1464 01:07:44,850 --> 01:07:41,620 would be you know another statistic that 1465 01:07:46,830 --> 01:07:44,860 would be hard to fit to figure out well 1466 01:07:48,530 --> 01:07:46,840 if someone has the technology to be 1467 01:07:50,670 --> 01:07:48,540 doing that babe 1468 01:07:52,350 --> 01:07:50,680 traveling to lots of different star 1469 01:07:56,490 --> 01:07:52,360 systems so they'd be getting around 1470 01:07:58,890 --> 01:07:56,500 right so the point is from my 1471 01:08:01,710 --> 01:07:58,900 perspective it's certainly possible in 1472 01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:01,720 fact I would say likely that intelligent 1473 01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:04,960 aliens have already built space ships 1474 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:07,470 capable of doing just what we described 1475 01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:10,930 but we have to recognize that that means 1476 01:08:18,270 --> 01:08:14,100 the level of the technology they have is 1477 01:08:20,190 --> 01:08:18,280 so far beyond us that you know it you 1478 01:08:21,870 --> 01:08:20,200 couldn't even contrast us with the 1479 01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:21,880 Neanderthals on that you'd have to 1480 01:08:27,060 --> 01:08:25,480 contrast us with like ants in order rate 1481 01:08:31,170 --> 01:08:27,070 through relative level of technology 1482 01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:31,180 right you know this is the one thing I 1483 01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:32,560 really like about you is that you're 1484 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:35,920 open-minded enough to to look at the 1485 01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:38,770 subject this way because a lot of 1486 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:40,089 scientists that I've spoke to in the 1487 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:42,730 past are just saying no it defies the 1488 01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:45,130 laws of physics or it doesn't defy the 1489 01:08:51,170 --> 01:08:48,880 law of physics but the the ages of the 1490 01:08:54,570 --> 01:08:51,180 beings and you know would have to be 1491 01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:54,580 astronomical and as well as energy it 1492 01:09:00,120 --> 01:08:56,650 couldn't be enough energy to propel but 1493 01:09:01,829 --> 01:09:00,130 you have an open enough mind to realize 1494 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:01,839 that they may know something about 1495 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:05,530 physics that we don't and they're 1496 01:09:11,099 --> 01:09:08,290 they're intelligent level may be so 1497 01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:11,109 superior that they have this thing 1498 01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:13,089 figured out right I have this debate 1499 01:09:16,980 --> 01:09:15,190 with my colleagues fairly often about 1500 01:09:19,410 --> 01:09:16,990 energy limitations and all those other 1501 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:19,420 kinds of things and you know my main 1502 01:09:24,329 --> 01:09:21,730 point is there's probably a lot that we 1503 01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:24,339 have not yet discovered that presumably 1504 01:09:29,670 --> 01:09:27,850 they have so it seems perfectly 1505 01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:29,680 reasonable to me that there could all be 1506 01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:32,500 all sorts of solutions that they've come 1507 01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:34,450 up with that we would not be aware even 1508 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:36,700 exist you know you go back a hundred 1509 01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:38,770 years ago and tell people that you're 1510 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:41,440 going to be able to talk over the 1511 01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:44,890 telephone without any wires and from a 1512 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:46,510 little handheld device and they would 1513 01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:48,810 think you were crazy right mmhmm yeah 1514 01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:53,170 and one of the things i read in in your 1515 01:09:59,610 --> 01:09:56,710 bio basically is the thoughts of you 1516 01:10:01,620 --> 01:09:59,620 know technology where it's going and how 1517 01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:01,630 you know we're on the edge or 1518 01:10:06,419 --> 01:10:04,030 can be on the edge fairly quickly as far 1519 01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:06,429 as our civilization wiping it out you 1520 01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:09,790 know it's a possibility as as our 1521 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:12,190 technology grows we have to socially 1522 01:10:18,450 --> 01:10:16,090 grow with it in order to stay intact can 1523 01:10:20,129 --> 01:10:18,460 you talk a little bit about that sure 1524 01:10:23,850 --> 01:10:20,139 yeah one of the reasons that the 1525 01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:23,860 subtitle of my book Beyond UFOs is the 1526 01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,510 search for extraterrestrial life and 1527 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:27,520 it's astonishing implications to our 1528 01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:30,130 future is because this subject really 1529 01:10:37,050 --> 01:10:34,239 does open up your mind to thinking about 1530 01:10:39,570 --> 01:10:37,060 our place in what you might think of as 1531 01:10:41,850 --> 01:10:39,580 a history of civilizations and this is 1532 01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:41,860 not a new idea it's been around ever 1533 01:10:47,970 --> 01:10:44,080 since Frank Drake wrote his equation 1534 01:10:49,890 --> 01:10:47,980 initially 60 years ago and it's very 1535 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:49,900 simple when you start to think about how 1536 01:10:55,709 --> 01:10:53,290 would we ever become a civilization that 1537 01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:55,719 would travel among the stars which if 1538 01:11:00,419 --> 01:10:57,730 someone else is doing it means they've 1539 01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:00,429 already successfully passed that point 1540 01:11:07,229 --> 01:11:03,520 you realize that it's a very difficult 1541 01:11:09,419 --> 01:11:07,239 thing to achieve not because the 1542 01:11:11,850 --> 01:11:09,429 technology is impossible or anything 1543 01:11:13,979 --> 01:11:11,860 like that but because the very same 1544 01:11:17,310 --> 01:11:13,989 technologies that will help us 1545 01:11:19,620 --> 01:11:17,320 eventually go to the stars are the 1546 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:19,630 technologies that we can also use to 1547 01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,330 destroy ourselves and the real question 1548 01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:24,159 and you can see it in the news every day 1549 01:11:29,939 --> 01:11:27,760 right now is will we use the technology 1550 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:29,949 in a way that puts us back to the Stone 1551 01:11:37,410 --> 01:11:33,610 Age before we use it in a way that takes 1552 01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:37,420 us out to the stars well yeah that's a 1553 01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:40,530 profound statement and a real true one 1554 01:11:47,459 --> 01:11:44,710 when when you are a summit wait a minute 1555 01:11:49,950 --> 01:11:47,469 we have a chat room Jeffrey and someone 1556 01:11:53,129 --> 01:11:49,960 asks a question when we were talking all 1557 01:11:57,660 --> 01:11:53,139 the way back about dark energy and dark 1558 01:11:59,970 --> 01:11:57,670 matter and I was just I guess the 1559 01:12:04,320 --> 01:11:59,980 question was how do you explain the 1560 01:12:06,770 --> 01:12:04,330 acceleration of the expansion how do you 1561 01:12:10,350 --> 01:12:06,780 explain that in general writes that 1562 01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:10,360 that's a great question so we have a 1563 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:13,600 name for what causes the acceleration of 1564 01:12:18,209 --> 01:12:15,130 the expansion that's what we 1565 01:12:21,629 --> 01:12:18,219 dark energy but the truth is we have 1566 01:12:24,060 --> 01:12:21,639 absolutely no idea what it is or how it 1567 01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:24,070 works so it is one of the greatest 1568 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:27,070 mysteries in science right now what 1569 01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,330 could it possibly be that's causing the 1570 01:12:35,340 --> 01:12:33,040 universe's expansion to accelerate like 1571 01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:35,350 that we don't know whoever figures it 1572 01:12:40,770 --> 01:12:37,840 out will get a Nobel Prize mm-hmm that's 1573 01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,780 right now when you are you said you were 1574 01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:42,159 more or less having discussions with 1575 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:45,190 colleagues how do they feel about your 1576 01:12:50,729 --> 01:12:48,610 stand on you know say the UFO topic in 1577 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:50,739 general well I would say the vast 1578 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:52,330 majority of them agree with me they 1579 01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:55,690 think that life is very very likely that 1580 01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:57,610 intelligent life is very very likely 1581 01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:00,400 that intelligent life the place where 1582 01:13:04,350 --> 01:13:01,409 you have the most philosophical 1583 01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:04,360 questions is do any civilizations 1584 01:13:08,189 --> 01:13:06,489 survive this sort of bottleneck of 1585 01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:08,199 history that we were just talking about 1586 01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:10,719 but if the answer is yes then it's 1587 01:13:15,629 --> 01:13:12,790 inevitable I think most of them will 1588 01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:15,639 agree that civilizations will expand and 1589 01:13:19,709 --> 01:13:18,310 start to become star travelers so I 1590 01:13:21,950 --> 01:13:19,719 would say that the majority of my 1591 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:21,960 colleagues believe that there are 1592 01:13:27,689 --> 01:13:26,050 spacefaring aliens out there wow that's 1593 01:13:29,729 --> 01:13:27,699 amazing I never knew that you know it 1594 01:13:32,340 --> 01:13:29,739 seemed the more people I've talked to in 1595 01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,350 the past have basically more or less 1596 01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:35,040 said you know the opposite of that and 1597 01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:38,280 like it was just plain impossible and 1598 01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:40,960 that they did not believe that we were 1599 01:13:46,350 --> 01:13:44,800 ever visited and myself you know a lot 1600 01:13:49,290 --> 01:13:46,360 of times you hear these this ancient 1601 01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:49,300 aliens things and I I don't think it 1602 01:13:52,830 --> 01:13:51,400 makes any difference if it was two 1603 01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:52,840 million years ago that we were visited 1604 01:14:00,060 --> 01:13:56,530 or last week you know as far as timing 1605 01:14:01,709 --> 01:14:00,070 goes with other civilizations right I 1606 01:14:03,629 --> 01:14:01,719 think you know the main thing that that 1607 01:14:05,550 --> 01:14:03,639 I'll point out there is the vast 1608 01:14:07,709 --> 01:14:05,560 majority of my colleagues I think will 1609 01:14:09,689 --> 01:14:07,719 will agree that they think it's likely 1610 01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:09,699 that there are spacefaring aliens like 1611 01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:13,330 that however they're all skeptical of 1612 01:14:17,550 --> 01:14:15,489 any claims of evidence that we've seen 1613 01:14:19,169 --> 01:14:17,560 them and it's really basically for the 1614 01:14:20,729 --> 01:14:19,179 reason we were talking about before that 1615 01:14:24,090 --> 01:14:20,739 when you think of the level of 1616 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:24,100 technology that they must have in order 1617 01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:26,770 to be here it's so great that is 1618 01:14:30,810 --> 01:14:28,150 Alejandro mentioned 1619 01:14:33,390 --> 01:14:30,820 earlier on if they don't want us to know 1620 01:14:35,370 --> 01:14:33,400 I don't think it's possible for us to 1621 01:14:37,620 --> 01:14:35,380 know that they're here and if they do 1622 01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:37,630 want us to know they can certainly tell 1623 01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:41,260 us anytime they want absolutely and you 1624 01:14:48,740 --> 01:14:45,489 know you can only speculate why they 1625 01:14:51,959 --> 01:14:48,750 haven't you know presented themselves 1626 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:51,969 you know I'm going to ask you a real 1627 01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:55,570 offbeat question and because I I still I 1628 01:14:59,899 --> 01:14:57,520 really don't know what to believe about 1629 01:15:05,479 --> 01:14:59,909 it and I'm on the fence about it 1630 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:05,489 abductions um you know again I would say 1631 01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:08,050 given the level of technology the 1632 01:15:12,090 --> 01:15:10,449 technology that they have if they want 1633 01:15:15,450 --> 01:15:12,100 to wipe your memory after they've 1634 01:15:17,550 --> 01:15:15,460 abducted you they can so it just doesn't 1635 01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:17,560 make any sense to me for people when 1636 01:15:22,260 --> 01:15:19,840 people claim the abductions I understand 1637 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:22,270 that they believe what happened to them 1638 01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,610 but I think it's something it's a belief 1639 01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:27,040 that's been placed in their mind through 1640 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:31,120 their own doing and you know that's just 1641 01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:34,330 my perspective on it because it doesn't 1642 01:15:39,899 --> 01:15:37,449 make sense to me that they would abduct 1643 01:15:42,450 --> 01:15:39,909 people in a way that would let them 1644 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:42,460 remember it when they got back home in 1645 01:15:46,890 --> 01:15:44,890 addition when you hear the stories about 1646 01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,900 the kind of technology being used on 1647 01:15:51,540 --> 01:15:48,880 these people it sounds kind of like our 1648 01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:51,550 technology not like technology of 1649 01:15:58,800 --> 01:15:53,710 someone who makes us look like ants in 1650 01:16:00,959 --> 01:15:58,810 comparison hmm yeah well yeah I I have 1651 01:16:03,930 --> 01:16:00,969 to stay neutral on the subject because 1652 01:16:05,820 --> 01:16:03,940 but I thank you for that someone wants 1653 01:16:09,870 --> 01:16:05,830 to know if you can comment i mentioned 1654 01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:09,880 it earlier on the recent discoveries to 1655 01:16:14,910 --> 01:16:13,090 the hadron collider well the big 1656 01:16:16,649 --> 01:16:14,920 discovery from the Large Hadron Collider 1657 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:16,659 of the last couple of years was the 1658 01:16:22,260 --> 01:16:19,690 Higgs boson and that's a very very 1659 01:16:24,270 --> 01:16:22,270 important discovery because it is a 1660 01:16:27,390 --> 01:16:24,280 particle that was predicted by what 1661 01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:27,400 physicists call the standard model and 1662 01:16:32,729 --> 01:16:29,679 it was the one really missing link in 1663 01:16:36,689 --> 01:16:32,739 that model that hadn't been discovered 1664 01:16:39,870 --> 01:16:36,699 so finding it shows that that model is 1665 01:16:41,890 --> 01:16:39,880 truly on the right track and also 1666 01:16:44,290 --> 01:16:41,900 because there's variation 1667 01:16:46,450 --> 01:16:44,300 zhan parameters for the model knowing 1668 01:16:49,689 --> 01:16:46,460 what the mass and characteristics of the 1669 01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:49,699 Higgs boson are allow people to you know 1670 01:16:55,149 --> 01:16:52,370 be more clear about which version of the 1671 01:16:59,080 --> 01:16:55,159 model is the correct one what it doesn't 1672 01:17:01,439 --> 01:16:59,090 do is tell us where to go next and 1673 01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:01,449 that's really the big open debate in 1674 01:17:08,770 --> 01:17:06,550 physics is how do we unify all these 1675 01:17:10,689 --> 01:17:08,780 there's really two big theories in 1676 01:17:12,850 --> 01:17:10,699 physics one is quantum mechanics which 1677 01:17:15,220 --> 01:17:12,860 is explained by the standard model and 1678 01:17:17,290 --> 01:17:15,230 the other is Einstein's theory of 1679 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:17,300 relativity and quantum mechanics works 1680 01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:19,610 beautifully for very small things and 1681 01:17:25,060 --> 01:17:22,400 relativity works beautifully for very 1682 01:17:27,790 --> 01:17:25,070 large things like the universe but the 1683 01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:27,800 two of them give different answers under 1684 01:17:32,410 --> 01:17:30,050 some very special circumstances such as 1685 01:17:35,020 --> 01:17:32,420 the singularity of a black hole so we 1686 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:35,030 need to reconcile those two theories in 1687 01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,250 order to go to the next step in physics 1688 01:17:41,260 --> 01:17:39,199 the area of everything the only the 1689 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:41,270 Higgs bosons real helps with the quantum 1690 01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:44,090 mechanics aspect but it doesn't tell us 1691 01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,030 the next step you wonder if there's 1692 01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:49,280 particles that keep getting smaller and 1693 01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:52,489 smaller to who I mean that is that is a 1694 01:17:58,959 --> 01:17:56,480 possibility yeah although I'm according 1695 01:18:01,390 --> 01:17:58,969 to the current models it's not so much a 1696 01:18:03,550 --> 01:18:01,400 matter of size because these particles 1697 01:18:05,860 --> 01:18:03,560 are thought to be actually point 1698 01:18:07,390 --> 01:18:05,870 particles already but they're subject to 1699 01:18:10,810 --> 01:18:07,400 the uncertainty principle where you 1700 01:18:13,180 --> 01:18:10,820 can't pin down a precise location the 1701 01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,190 bigger question is do we have the whole 1702 01:18:17,470 --> 01:18:15,679 picture some of you may know that some 1703 01:18:21,370 --> 01:18:17,480 of these ideas that go by names like 1704 01:18:24,220 --> 01:18:21,380 super strings and supersymmetry imagine 1705 01:18:26,890 --> 01:18:24,230 that tied up in the subatomic realm 1706 01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:26,900 there may be additional dimensions that 1707 01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,880 we don't experience in our everyday life 1708 01:18:33,729 --> 01:18:31,040 and some models ten dimensions all 1709 01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:33,739 wrapped up into tiny little balls that 1710 01:18:38,020 --> 01:18:36,560 we see is three-dimensional particles so 1711 01:18:40,030 --> 01:18:38,030 that's the place where the really 1712 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:40,040 interesting stuff is happening the 1713 01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:42,530 problem is again we just don't know 1714 01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:46,250 where any of these hypotheses are going 1715 01:18:51,220 --> 01:18:48,770 to lead because the theorists haven't 1716 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:51,230 yet come up with ways to test these 1717 01:18:55,630 --> 01:18:53,570 ideas in the laboratory and without 1718 01:18:58,570 --> 01:18:55,640 tests they're still just spec 1719 01:19:00,850 --> 01:18:58,580 uation well that's it for Jeffrey 1720 01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:00,860 Bennett and it's great to have someone 1721 01:19:05,140 --> 01:19:02,450 like him on it was uh it was really 1722 01:19:07,210 --> 01:19:05,150 enjoyable and you know I was just 1723 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:07,220 thinking next year I think I'm going to 1724 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:09,530 have you the listener out their vote on 1725 01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:11,410 the shows that you'd like to make me 1726 01:19:18,190 --> 01:19:14,510 post up here in clips for next New 1727 01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:18,200 Year's Eve alright so coming up next we 1728 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:21,280 have dr. Kevin Randall he was another 1729 01:19:26,980 --> 01:19:24,530 2014 guests and here is Kevin now when 1730 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:26,990 did you first get involved in the 1731 01:19:34,590 --> 01:19:31,010 Roswell case to begin with it would have 1732 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:34,600 been in 1988 the Center for UFO studies 1733 01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:39,050 in looking at I guess the more and that 1734 01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:40,490 would be bill maher as opposed to 1735 01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:42,590 charles moore bill moore and jostle it's 1736 01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:46,640 booked on the roswell incident and some 1737 01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:47,810 of the things that stand Friedman had 1738 01:19:52,770 --> 01:19:50,210 done and said realized that there was 1739 01:19:56,740 --> 01:19:52,780 not a lot of work to be done he insulate 1740 01:19:58,270 --> 01:19:56,750 proposed a reinvestigation of roswell 1741 01:19:59,860 --> 01:19:58,280 and i was invited in because they knew 1742 01:20:03,880 --> 01:19:59,870 who I was and I'd worked with them on 1743 01:20:05,890 --> 01:20:03,890 some things but they invited me and by 1744 01:20:09,550 --> 01:20:05,900 coincidence I had been at a science 1745 01:20:10,750 --> 01:20:09,560 fiction convention in 1980 tune of 1988 1746 01:20:13,330 --> 01:20:10,760 and there was going to be a big debate 1747 01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:13,340 on UFO knows science fiction writers 1748 01:20:18,700 --> 01:20:15,440 against these guys coming up from the 1749 01:20:20,890 --> 01:20:18,710 center I was going to be arguing with 1750 01:20:23,410 --> 01:20:20,900 the science fiction writers that gives 1751 01:20:25,300 --> 01:20:23,420 the guy is better and when when we got 1752 01:20:26,770 --> 01:20:25,310 ready to go it turned out one of the 1753 01:20:28,150 --> 01:20:26,780 guys couldn't make it from the center so 1754 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:28,160 it would have been three science fiction 1755 01:20:32,260 --> 01:20:30,530 writers against one guy from the center 1756 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:32,270 so I switch sides because it's a debate 1757 01:20:35,950 --> 01:20:34,730 and you can do that in debate you're 1758 01:20:37,390 --> 01:20:35,960 supposed to in a debate you're supposed 1759 01:20:40,660 --> 01:20:37,400 to be able to argue either either side 1760 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:40,670 so I think I'll just argue the UFO side 1761 01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:43,010 and and got to talking to turns out to 1762 01:20:47,890 --> 01:20:45,500 be done Schmidt and they remembered that 1763 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:47,900 in my military background so they asked 1764 01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,730 if I would participate in this 1765 01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:51,920 investigation of the Roswell case I said 1766 01:20:59,130 --> 01:20:55,570 sure why not so don and i went there in 1767 01:21:01,570 --> 01:20:59,140 February of 1989 I talked to Bill Moore 1768 01:21:06,820 --> 01:21:01,580 not bill more on Bill Brazel I talked to 1769 01:21:08,740 --> 01:21:06,830 Bill Brazel it in late 1988 and sent him 1770 01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:08,750 a letter and asked him you know he would 1771 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:09,310 meet with 1772 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:11,890 which he agreed to do so we met with him 1773 01:21:16,890 --> 01:21:14,650 in February of 1989 and sat down and 1774 01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:16,900 chatted with him about what he'd seen 1775 01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:18,550 him what he'd done so it says the 1776 01:21:23,940 --> 01:21:22,210 beginning was that's a long convoluted 1777 01:21:27,780 --> 01:21:23,950 way of getting us to the beginning of 1778 01:21:31,380 --> 01:21:27,790 the story and how I happened to be Bill 1779 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:31,390 basile it was really funny afterwards he 1780 01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:33,010 wouldn't meet with anybody else he just 1781 01:21:36,210 --> 01:21:34,270 he would meet with us whenever were 1782 01:21:38,970 --> 01:21:36,220 there we look forward to meeting with us 1783 01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:38,980 yeah he took us out to the debris field 1784 01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:40,690 where he found his stuff and it's eight 1785 01:21:45,090 --> 01:21:42,250 o'clock in the morning writing in his 1786 01:21:47,460 --> 01:21:45,100 ratty old red pickup truck he's got a 1787 01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:47,470 six-pack a warm beer with him as you 1788 01:21:51,450 --> 01:21:50,170 guys want a beer and last thing I wanted 1789 01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:51,460 eight o'clock in the morning as a warm 1790 01:21:56,250 --> 01:21:54,340 here and this you but he I figured one 1791 01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:56,260 of us ought to drink with him so I had a 1792 01:22:00,660 --> 01:21:57,850 warm feeling in a sock in the morning 1793 01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:00,670 but so handling he would always meet 1794 01:22:04,290 --> 01:22:02,590 with this I tried to get him to do the 1795 01:22:05,790 --> 01:22:04,300 unsolved mysteries program and he just 1796 01:22:07,530 --> 01:22:05,800 wouldn't do what not I was suggesting 1797 01:22:09,450 --> 01:22:07,540 for producers what you need to do is 1798 01:22:11,490 --> 01:22:09,460 this this investigate his interest and 1799 01:22:13,140 --> 01:22:11,500 he just didn't didn't really have an 1800 01:22:16,230 --> 01:22:13,150 interest in doing any of that stuff but 1801 01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:16,240 he'd always meet with with me or with 1802 01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:17,920 Don and me when we got down there and 1803 01:22:22,230 --> 01:22:19,690 then later on he meant with Donna and 1804 01:22:24,540 --> 01:22:22,240 Tom Carrie when they were down there so 1805 01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:24,550 we we opened the door at least for us to 1806 01:22:30,660 --> 01:22:26,560 get to talk to him and I recorded 1807 01:22:32,970 --> 01:22:30,670 everything he said to us with a do tape 1808 01:22:34,500 --> 01:22:32,980 we wanted to sit down with him to do 1809 01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,510 videotape and you only said he's going 1810 01:22:37,940 --> 01:22:35,920 to do it whenever we were there with the 1811 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:37,950 camera just wasn't ready to do it and 1812 01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:41,530 his long since passed away so that ship 1813 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:43,690 sailed but we do have auto Ricardo 1814 01:22:48,780 --> 01:22:47,170 recordings both of him in person and on 1815 01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:48,790 the telephone of what he said to us so 1816 01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:50,710 we can demonstrate that yeah he really 1817 01:22:55,050 --> 01:22:53,260 said this doesn't mean it's true just 1818 01:22:58,110 --> 01:22:55,060 means we're accurately pointing what the 1819 01:23:00,540 --> 01:22:58,120 guy told us right right hey I want to 1820 01:23:01,650 --> 01:23:00,550 take calls for anyone out there any 1821 01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:01,660 listener out there they would like to 1822 01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:04,210 call in for any question for Kevin the 1823 01:23:16,380 --> 01:23:10,380 phone number here is 60 396 740 30 1824 01:23:21,780 --> 01:23:16,390 that's 60 396 740 30 or you can skype me 1825 01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:21,790 at Marty Willa sets ma rty wi ll i F 1826 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:26,080 all one word so what is the most 1827 01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:29,290 profound thing that Brazel said did he 1828 01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:33,670 actually see the debris himself he had 1829 01:23:39,630 --> 01:23:36,310 scraps of it he had picked it up he had 1830 01:23:42,690 --> 01:23:39,640 said in the in a couple of years after 1831 01:23:43,860 --> 01:23:42,700 this event he'd been out on that part of 1832 01:23:46,230 --> 01:23:43,870 the range and he said everyone that we 1833 01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:46,240 was out there he would look down they 1834 01:23:50,130 --> 01:23:48,190 did a lot of stuff on horseback so he 1835 01:23:53,010 --> 01:23:50,140 was riding the horse looking down and he 1836 01:23:56,220 --> 01:23:53,020 said he found maybe ten maybe maybe a 1837 01:23:58,620 --> 01:23:56,230 dozen scraps of this stuff he found some 1838 01:24:01,530 --> 01:23:58,630 some what he called monofilament fishing 1839 01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:01,540 line that he said that when you shined a 1840 01:24:04,980 --> 01:24:03,400 light in one end it would come out the 1841 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:04,990 other which of course means it's fiber 1842 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:09,370 optics he found a some some debris that 1843 01:24:14,730 --> 01:24:11,890 it had the density of balsa wood very 1844 01:24:16,650 --> 01:24:14,740 lightweight and he got out his 1845 01:24:17,550 --> 01:24:16,660 pocketknife who wanted to take a shaving 1846 01:24:19,950 --> 01:24:17,560 of it to see if there was any 1847 01:24:22,230 --> 01:24:19,960 stratification in it and he couldn't get 1848 01:24:23,850 --> 01:24:22,240 a shaving with his pocket knives and I 1849 01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,860 use a pocketknife said barbed wire and I 1850 01:24:27,390 --> 01:24:26,080 couldn't get a shaming on it and then he 1851 01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:27,400 said but the most interesting piece was 1852 01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:29,170 this little bit of foil is it was like 1853 01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:32,260 like think he said lead foil as opposed 1854 01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:34,920 to Kim foiler more aluminum for so it's 1855 01:24:41,970 --> 01:24:39,700 it's thicker gauge material and he said 1856 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:41,980 he'd had it in his chaps puck and he 1857 01:24:44,910 --> 01:24:43,450 pulled it out and threw it down on the 1858 01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:44,920 dresser drawer and it started to unfold 1859 01:24:48,990 --> 01:24:46,510 itself going back to its original shape 1860 01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:49,000 me so and then I got the plan with it so 1861 01:24:56,190 --> 01:24:52,870 we got some kind of memory metals going 1862 01:24:58,260 --> 01:24:56,200 on there and he said he had it had it in 1863 01:25:00,180 --> 01:24:58,270 a cigar shopping box he showed it to his 1864 01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:00,190 father who said yeah that looks like 1865 01:25:05,610 --> 01:25:02,710 some of the contraption I found but he 1866 01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:05,620 was in corona New Mexico talking to his 1867 01:25:09,690 --> 01:25:07,150 friends and mentioned that he had this 1868 01:25:12,650 --> 01:25:09,700 debris and he said the next few days 1869 01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,660 some fellas from the base showed up I 1870 01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:14,800 don't know whether it was the Roswell 1871 01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:19,510 base Kirtland Alamogordo I mean they're 1872 01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:22,000 all within easy driving distance of the 1873 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:24,730 Brazel ranch the time and he said it was 1874 01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:27,130 really nice fellow of redheaded captain 1875 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:29,110 a couple of an NCO and a couple of the 1876 01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:31,930 most other listed guys and they made it 1877 01:25:35,460 --> 01:25:33,730 clear to him that he was going to 1878 01:25:35,620 --> 01:25:35,470 surrender the material he came to get 1879 01:25:45,610 --> 01:25:35,630 the 1880 01:25:47,649 --> 01:25:45,620 so he lost that which would have been a 1881 01:25:50,530 --> 01:25:47,659 wonderful wonderful bit of evidence for 1882 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:50,540 the best of us as well boy boy Kevin 1883 01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,730 just one second here I want to apologize 1884 01:25:55,689 --> 01:25:54,320 to the listeners that are listening live 1885 01:25:58,530 --> 01:25:55,699 right now I guess there's some type of 1886 01:26:01,479 --> 01:25:58,540 audio crackling or something going on 1887 01:26:03,610 --> 01:26:01,489 I'm recording a nice clean podcast on 1888 01:26:05,620 --> 01:26:03,620 this side you'll be able to come to my 1889 01:26:08,140 --> 01:26:05,630 website and re listen I apologize for 1890 01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:08,150 that and instead of just disrupting the 1891 01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:10,370 whole show I'll just keep going but we 1892 01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,110 have a person on skype Kurt how are you 1893 01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:17,120 all right and you have a question for 1894 01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:23,210 Kevin yes I do I was wondering i miss 1895 01:26:26,140 --> 01:26:24,650 the beginning the show so maybe you've 1896 01:26:29,020 --> 01:26:26,150 already talked about this but Paul 1897 01:26:31,660 --> 01:26:29,030 Hellyer has been in the news I'm sure 1898 01:26:34,930 --> 01:26:31,670 Kevin seen that and I just wanted his 1899 01:26:37,540 --> 01:26:34,940 response to that and I I didn't want to 1900 01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:37,550 say though it's best I can tell mr. 1901 01:26:44,979 --> 01:26:41,600 Hellyer's understanding a UFO began with 1902 01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:44,989 the beliefs of Colonel courses book and 1903 01:26:51,729 --> 01:26:47,600 I think that's been discredited so 1904 01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:51,739 anyway that's my question based I think 1905 01:26:57,729 --> 01:26:54,290 you're right at carsales book has been 1906 01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:57,739 pretty well discredited the tail on how 1907 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:01,040 he saw the alien body is Marilyn 1908 01:27:05,379 --> 01:27:03,530 militarily makes no sense to me 1909 01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:05,389 whatsoever as a former intelligence 1910 01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:10,510 officer if you're shipping a classified 1911 01:27:15,399 --> 01:27:13,280 thing whatever it might be your records 1912 01:27:16,899 --> 01:27:15,409 whatever they happen to be from point A 1913 01:27:18,820 --> 01:27:16,909 to point B and in the military you have 1914 01:27:21,010 --> 01:27:18,830 what's called a rom remain overnight and 1915 01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:21,020 you plan your route so you only drive so 1916 01:27:26,890 --> 01:27:24,650 far every day and use then you stop at 1917 01:27:29,260 --> 01:27:26,900 the closest military base you plan your 1918 01:27:31,689 --> 01:27:29,270 route to pass military bases that you 1919 01:27:33,129 --> 01:27:31,699 can stay there so if I'm the convoy 1920 01:27:36,990 --> 01:27:33,139 commander and I'm shipping this stuff 1921 01:27:41,260 --> 01:27:37,000 the last thing I'm going to do is allow 1922 01:27:43,540 --> 01:27:41,270 those at the local base access to this 1923 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:43,550 classified material and yet he's talking 1924 01:27:48,189 --> 01:27:46,010 about how they were in there prying up 1925 01:27:49,460 --> 01:27:48,199 the lids of stuff and looking at it it 1926 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:49,470 just makes no sense 1927 01:27:53,660 --> 01:27:51,810 militarily and I there are other lots of 1928 01:27:58,010 --> 01:27:53,670 other problems with with course old book 1929 01:28:00,770 --> 01:27:58,020 I met Paul hillyer in May of this last 1930 01:28:03,650 --> 01:28:00,780 year and he seemed to be a very nice 1931 01:28:05,540 --> 01:28:03,660 gentleman he has connections into the 1932 01:28:09,230 --> 01:28:05,550 Canadian government and I haven't really 1933 01:28:12,140 --> 01:28:09,240 looked into those with any great depth 1934 01:28:14,900 --> 01:28:12,150 so I'm not sure how credible what he 1935 01:28:18,650 --> 01:28:14,910 says is I know that very credible people 1936 01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,660 sometimes are swayed by people who are 1937 01:28:26,270 --> 01:28:20,400 less than credible so that the fact that 1938 01:28:27,650 --> 01:28:26,280 he is believed what Corso said and 1939 01:28:29,450 --> 01:28:27,660 everyone should say Colonel course fell 1940 01:28:36,650 --> 01:28:29,460 because he did retire as a lieutenant 1941 01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:36,660 colonel but then again who didn't he you 1942 01:28:40,690 --> 01:28:38,460 know he may not have had to wherewithal 1943 01:28:43,130 --> 01:28:40,700 and may not have understood some of the 1944 01:28:46,730 --> 01:28:43,140 outrageous things that corsa was saying 1945 01:28:50,750 --> 01:28:46,740 so the fact that he kind of looked at 1946 01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:50,760 Corso as a credible source doesn't 1947 01:28:54,980 --> 01:28:52,530 really undermine his new year's 1948 01:28:56,510 --> 01:28:54,990 credibility it just is one of those 1949 01:29:01,100 --> 01:28:56,520 things I mean there's an awful lot of 1950 01:29:02,270 --> 01:29:01,110 people another fellow is Richard French 1951 01:29:03,890 --> 01:29:02,280 and if you look at his military 1952 01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:03,900 background of what he claimed about his 1953 01:29:07,370 --> 01:29:06,090 military background it's accurate you 1954 01:29:09,340 --> 01:29:07,380 know the guy would the guy retired his 1955 01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:09,350 lieutenant colonel once again who didn't 1956 01:29:14,090 --> 01:29:11,790 he had a very distinguished Air Force 1957 01:29:16,730 --> 01:29:14,100 career but some of the other things that 1958 01:29:19,070 --> 01:29:16,740 he said as he as he went along don't 1959 01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:19,080 seem to be grounded in reality but the 1960 01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:21,510 guys like 900 years old so you're not 1961 01:29:28,850 --> 01:29:25,320 really sure what is going on in his mind 1962 01:29:32,270 --> 01:29:28,860 at that advanced age so you can look at 1963 01:29:33,710 --> 01:29:32,280 all of this stuff but I think what you 1964 01:29:37,670 --> 01:29:33,720 have to do is look at the specific 1965 01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:37,680 gentleman and say it what he is claiming 1966 01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:40,110 he personally saw he personally did is 1967 01:29:43,790 --> 01:29:42,330 this a credible story and look at it 1968 01:29:46,660 --> 01:29:43,800 from that point of view as opposed to 1969 01:29:49,220 --> 01:29:46,670 well I believe Colonel Corso type story 1970 01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:49,230 is that it hurt or do you have another 1971 01:29:54,710 --> 01:29:52,230 question no that did I think Ukraine 1972 01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:54,720 from the court yeah thanks for thanks 1973 01:30:02,000 --> 01:29:58,800 for coming on so getting back Kevin to 1974 01:30:03,140 --> 01:30:02,010 you know in the beginning when you were 1975 01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,150 finding all those 1976 01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:05,040 mrs. that must have been like a treasure 1977 01:30:10,250 --> 01:30:07,650 hunt I mean maybe not a treasure hunt 1978 01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,260 exciting like that but it must have been 1979 01:30:13,970 --> 01:30:12,239 pretty pretty interesting to start 1980 01:30:16,370 --> 01:30:13,980 meeting with all these people and 1981 01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,380 talking to them about the account of the 1982 01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:18,239 whole situation well it's certainly one 1983 01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:19,440 of the treasure hunt and it certainly 1984 01:30:24,740 --> 01:30:21,900 was exciting and I remember it being in 1985 01:30:27,229 --> 01:30:24,750 the hotel lobby in law as well talking 1986 01:30:29,060 --> 01:30:27,239 to a fellow down there who we wanted to 1987 01:30:31,899 --> 01:30:29,070 make contact with simply because we knew 1988 01:30:34,130 --> 01:30:31,909 he had a lot of photographs and 1989 01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:34,140 documentation from that era which could 1990 01:30:39,290 --> 01:30:36,510 be valuable to us he had a copy of the 1991 01:30:43,250 --> 01:30:39,300 Roswell phone book the base phone book 1992 01:30:44,689 --> 01:30:43,260 and that became important because you 1993 01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,699 know what were hot had done a yearbook 1994 01:30:48,740 --> 01:30:47,040 of the people who at the base but Walter 1995 01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:48,750 said that ten to twenty percent of the 1996 01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:50,730 people sign of the base in 1947 aren't 1997 01:30:55,340 --> 01:30:52,770 in yearbook the phone book gave us 1998 01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:55,350 another another group of names and some 1999 01:30:58,220 --> 01:30:56,850 of whom were not in the in the yearbook 2000 01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:58,230 and this woman was talking to us about 2001 01:31:02,510 --> 01:31:00,840 her cousin or his Hong Kong uncle Darryl 2002 01:31:04,490 --> 01:31:02,520 Rasmussen and he's not in the yearbook 2003 01:31:05,780 --> 01:31:04,500 but he's in the phone book so we could 2004 01:31:08,419 --> 01:31:05,790 verify that he was there in the proper 2005 01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:08,429 time frame so we were talking to him 2006 01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:11,190 about some of this stuff and I had just 2007 01:31:14,540 --> 01:31:13,110 mentioned to him casually that we know 2008 01:31:18,979 --> 01:31:14,550 we needed to see if we could find in the 2009 01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:18,989 family of Sheriff Wilcox and this fellow 2010 01:31:26,750 --> 01:31:22,050 says oh I know one of his daughters will 2011 01:31:28,130 --> 01:31:26,760 that do yeah it did Kenya collar and he 2012 01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:28,140 said sure he'd call her up and so we 2013 01:31:32,540 --> 01:31:30,060 went out the next day I met with her you 2014 01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:32,550 know it just it was it and it's fun to 2015 01:31:35,540 --> 01:31:34,080 sit there in the archives and you're 2016 01:31:38,060 --> 01:31:35,550 going through stuff and you suddenly 2017 01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:38,070 find the answer the question one of the 2018 01:31:41,870 --> 01:31:40,050 things we did a couple years ago 2019 01:31:44,510 --> 01:31:41,880 somebody said when was here when was the 2020 01:31:46,399 --> 01:31:44,520 year book published you know is this a 2021 01:31:48,110 --> 01:31:46,409 relevant question well it might well be 2022 01:31:49,580 --> 01:31:48,120 because it gives you an idea of when 2023 01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:49,590 they put the thing together who might 2024 01:31:52,910 --> 01:31:51,449 have been available who might not have 2025 01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:52,920 been available what we discovered was 2026 01:31:59,570 --> 01:31:56,159 the year book was published in November 2027 01:32:03,860 --> 01:31:59,580 of 1947 but it went to the publisher in 2028 01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:03,870 August of 1947 so it was put together 2029 01:32:11,390 --> 01:32:08,100 prior to prior and during the events of 2030 01:32:13,490 --> 01:32:11,400 June and July of 1947 and went away in 2031 01:32:16,220 --> 01:32:13,500 august of 1947 so the people who were 2032 01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:16,230 there in the yearbook probably were 2033 01:32:19,220 --> 01:32:17,040 people who are on 2034 01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:19,230 base when this event took place until 2035 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:21,210 that that's an interesting discovering 2036 01:32:27,490 --> 01:32:24,570 kind of an exciting thing fine or fine 2037 01:32:30,650 --> 01:32:27,500 defining a document that that kind of 2038 01:32:32,270 --> 01:32:30,660 verifies part of an event or lead you to 2039 01:32:35,180 --> 01:32:32,280 something else it she's really kind of 2040 01:32:38,710 --> 01:32:35,190 fun to find that stuff oh I like that 2041 01:32:41,930 --> 01:32:38,720 and one of the things I've thought of is 2042 01:32:44,660 --> 01:32:41,940 it seems to me that all these people 2043 01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:44,670 that were the witnesses did they quietly 2044 01:32:50,780 --> 01:32:46,530 talk among themselves so you are aware 2045 01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:50,790 of any of that prior to the big blowup 2046 01:32:58,040 --> 01:32:55,520 of interest in Roswell which would be 2047 01:32:59,630 --> 01:32:58,050 1979 or something like that no no no 2048 01:33:04,420 --> 01:32:59,640 that was that debt that wasn't a big 2049 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:04,430 blowup yes Jesse Marcel came forward in 2050 01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:07,050 1978 early nineteen seventy eight the 2051 01:33:10,810 --> 01:33:08,850 Roswell incident came out in either in 2052 01:33:13,130 --> 01:33:10,820 nineteen eighty or nineteen eighty one 2053 01:33:14,510 --> 01:33:13,140 but it wasn't the real blow up of 2054 01:33:17,900 --> 01:33:14,520 information the real blow up of 2055 01:33:21,020 --> 01:33:17,910 information came about after Don's and 2056 01:33:22,970 --> 01:33:21,030 my book was published in in 1991 and 2057 01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:22,980 then Stan Friedman got in with his book 2058 01:33:28,250 --> 01:33:24,810 as well and then there was a big blowup 2059 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:28,260 of information what we found prior to 2060 01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:30,330 that was these people really didn't talk 2061 01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:34,530 to one another but afterwards yeah then 2062 01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:36,690 then then there was a circulating of the 2063 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:41,250 era of the information we found in an 2064 01:33:46,670 --> 01:33:44,970 article that Inez Wilcox had put 2065 01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:46,680 together called for years in the county 2066 01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:50,490 jail and the joke was of course she was 2067 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:52,890 the wife of the sheriff and was sort of 2068 01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:54,810 the matron of the jail when they were 2069 01:33:58,490 --> 01:33:56,610 female prisoners and did the cooking and 2070 01:34:00,020 --> 01:33:58,500 that sort of thing for it so did the 2071 01:34:01,970 --> 01:34:00,030 joke of the title was she would spend 2072 01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:01,980 four years in the county jail but as a 2073 01:34:06,830 --> 01:34:05,280 jailer as opposed to an inmate and and 2074 01:34:09,980 --> 01:34:06,840 she had the story and one of the things 2075 01:34:13,580 --> 01:34:09,990 he talked about was just briefly when 2076 01:34:16,670 --> 01:34:13,590 this UFO crashed the problem for us was 2077 01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:16,680 none of this is dated the original 2078 01:34:22,130 --> 01:34:18,450 article doesn't seem to have included 2079 01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:22,140 that information it was I think it was a 2080 01:34:28,790 --> 01:34:25,110 day which means she wanted to add it to 2081 01:34:30,919 --> 01:34:28,800 page eight so so it went in there so it 2082 01:34:32,839 --> 01:34:30,929 wasn't part of the original article 2083 01:34:35,299 --> 01:34:32,849 but it came about afterwards so the 2084 01:34:37,279 --> 01:34:35,309 question then became when did Inez 2085 01:34:39,709 --> 01:34:37,289 Wilcock to die because if she died prior 2086 01:34:41,870 --> 01:34:39,719 to nineteen seventy eight well this is a 2087 01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:41,880 wonderful piece of documentation if she 2088 01:34:48,589 --> 01:34:44,489 died afterwards then it could easily be 2089 01:34:49,969 --> 01:34:48,599 contamination and unfortunately and I 2090 01:34:53,049 --> 01:34:49,979 said that date to say that cuz it sounds 2091 01:34:55,580 --> 01:34:53,059 mean but unfortunately she died after 2092 01:35:01,540 --> 01:34:55,590 the roswell incident book came out and i 2093 01:35:04,100 --> 01:35:01,550 would suspect that that while the the 2094 01:35:05,629 --> 01:35:04,110 admit that book did make a big impact on 2095 01:35:07,370 --> 01:35:05,639 the rest of the country of course it 2096 01:35:09,229 --> 01:35:07,380 made an impact on New Mexico to made an 2097 01:35:11,779 --> 01:35:09,239 impact on Roswell so I would suspect 2098 01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:11,789 that there was some discussion in the 2099 01:35:18,830 --> 01:35:14,010 local newspaper of the local TV or radio 2100 01:35:20,660 --> 01:35:18,840 stations about this UFO crash in Roswell 2101 01:35:23,359 --> 01:35:20,670 so at that point I think she might have 2102 01:35:25,310 --> 01:35:23,369 revisited her article and put that stuff 2103 01:35:27,589 --> 01:35:25,320 in there doesn't mean it's not true 2104 01:35:29,359 --> 01:35:27,599 doesn't mean that she was not writing it 2105 01:35:30,919 --> 01:35:29,369 from memory it just means there's a 2106 01:35:32,899 --> 01:35:30,929 possibility of contamination and we 2107 01:35:36,020 --> 01:35:32,909 can't prove it one of the best things we 2108 01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:36,030 found is a two-paragraph statement by 2109 01:35:41,660 --> 01:35:38,670 Lydia schlepping she was the teletype 2110 01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:41,670 operator at the radio station I think KF 2111 01:35:48,649 --> 01:35:47,130 no k kg FL was the Roswell station she 2112 01:35:51,140 --> 01:35:48,659 was up at the Albuquerque station I 2113 01:35:52,669 --> 01:35:51,150 forget what the call sign of it was but 2114 01:35:54,140 --> 01:35:52,679 she was the one who was typing the the 2115 01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,150 message when it was interrupted and said 2116 01:35:58,549 --> 01:35:56,639 do not transmit and there's a two 2117 01:36:02,239 --> 01:35:58,559 paragraphs that appear in a saga 2118 01:36:03,890 --> 01:36:02,249 magazine in july july say in 1976 i 2119 01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:03,900 forget the month but two paragraphs in 2120 01:36:07,969 --> 01:36:06,239 part of a UFO story about that well 2121 01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:07,979 clearly she was not influenced by jesse 2122 01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:09,570 marcel she was not influenced by the 2123 01:36:13,549 --> 01:36:11,280 discussion of roswell disappeared two 2124 01:36:17,060 --> 01:36:13,559 years prior to that so that's a nice 2125 01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:17,070 little piece of evidence for us Wow well 2126 01:36:23,390 --> 01:36:21,510 when you were finding these people were 2127 01:36:25,459 --> 01:36:23,400 there quite a few of them that didn't 2128 01:36:27,979 --> 01:36:25,469 were still like scared and didn't want 2129 01:36:29,779 --> 01:36:27,989 to talk about it edwin easily who was 2130 01:36:31,549 --> 01:36:29,789 the provost marshal told me repeatedly 2131 01:36:33,020 --> 01:36:31,559 and i have it on tape he can't talk 2132 01:36:35,870 --> 01:36:33,030 about he was sworn to secrecy i don't 2133 01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:35,880 think he was scared so much as he was 2134 01:36:38,989 --> 01:36:37,199 honorable and he didn't want to talk 2135 01:36:41,540 --> 01:36:38,999 about he wanted to help us as much as he 2136 01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:41,550 could provided us with interesting 2137 01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:44,280 little tidbits like that Brazel 2138 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:46,170 complain the mac browser complained 2139 01:36:52,430 --> 01:36:50,010 about being in jail but but easily told 2140 01:36:54,140 --> 01:36:52,440 us he was held in the guest house which 2141 01:36:55,459 --> 01:36:54,150 is not exactly jail but if the doors 2142 01:36:57,529 --> 01:36:55,469 locked and there's a guard on the door 2143 01:37:00,529 --> 01:36:57,539 then you know what's really the 2144 01:37:02,660 --> 01:37:00,539 difference if but I mean easily easily 2145 01:37:04,549 --> 01:37:02,670 gave us that little snippet of 2146 01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:04,559 information that nobody else had 2147 01:37:10,459 --> 01:37:07,679 developed and talked talked briefly 2148 01:37:12,169 --> 01:37:10,469 about what he had seen but but when we 2149 01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:12,179 got specific questions you would say to 2150 01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:14,159 me I can't tell you about that I was 2151 01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:17,489 sworn to secrecy that's it for dr. Kevin 2152 01:37:22,819 --> 01:37:19,170 Randall I'd really like to have him back 2153 01:37:26,660 --> 01:37:22,829 sometime maybe not next year but soon i 2154 01:37:29,569 --> 01:37:26,670 would say if not now the next the next 2155 01:37:31,549 --> 01:37:29,579 clip we have coming up i think is one of 2156 01:37:34,569 --> 01:37:31,559 the my favorite clips of the year and 2157 01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:34,579 that is of Alejandro Rojas is on site on 2158 01:37:41,029 --> 01:37:37,679 Travis Waltons well it's actually the 2159 01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,039 39th anniversary of the abduction right 2160 01:37:46,089 --> 01:37:43,920 on the site and he was trying to find 2161 01:37:48,890 --> 01:37:46,099 him there was a lot of chaos that day 2162 01:37:50,510 --> 01:37:48,900 Travis was late couldn't use the 2163 01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:50,520 satellite phone i sent him and all that 2164 01:37:54,290 --> 01:37:52,770 a real fun clip a lot of people wrote me 2165 01:37:57,169 --> 01:37:54,300 after this and told me they felt like 2166 01:38:00,140 --> 01:37:57,179 they were right there in the woods so it 2167 01:38:03,140 --> 01:38:00,150 was great clip and here it is we have on 2168 01:38:07,279 --> 01:38:03,150 the phone right now alejandro rojas out 2169 01:38:11,149 --> 01:38:07,289 at the site exactly where where Travis 2170 01:38:16,250 --> 01:38:11,159 Walton was abducted 39 years ago this 2171 01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:16,260 evening November fifth 1975 he's in I'm 2172 01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:18,690 not sure Herbert I think it is Arizona a 2173 01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:23,250 beber heber how you doing alejandro good 2174 01:38:28,549 --> 01:38:25,530 and it's surreal I'm up here on this 2175 01:38:31,339 --> 01:38:28,559 mountainside near where everything went 2176 01:38:33,979 --> 01:38:31,349 down and there are some lights coming 2177 01:38:38,689 --> 01:38:33,989 through the forest and I think this 2178 01:38:40,609 --> 01:38:38,699 might be Travis Walton driving up he's 2179 01:38:43,069 --> 01:38:40,619 about three and a half hours late for 2180 01:38:44,839 --> 01:38:43,079 the event we're hopefully going to be 2181 01:38:49,490 --> 01:38:44,849 able to get a daytime tour of the area 2182 01:38:51,260 --> 01:38:49,500 but two very dark and very cold yes you 2183 01:38:55,009 --> 01:38:51,270 know yeah so I've got Ben Hansen right 2184 01:38:57,770 --> 01:38:55,019 here he actually oh my gosh I think I 2185 01:38:58,200 --> 01:38:57,780 see Tracy tore me in there Centrica's I 2186 01:39:00,780 --> 01:38:58,210 am 2187 01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:00,790 so anyways I have been Hansen right next 2188 01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:02,650 to me that is night vision out Sharon is 2189 01:39:06,450 --> 01:39:04,290 going to be doing a presentation but 2190 01:39:09,930 --> 01:39:06,460 yeah a lot of the people are just 2191 01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:09,940 getting here and it's pretty cool yeah 2192 01:39:15,180 --> 01:39:12,370 make sure you say hi to ben and what a 2193 01:39:17,340 --> 01:39:15,190 great idea that was for him to come 2194 01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:17,350 there with all that equipment and you're 2195 01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:18,760 going out of their sight you're going to 2196 01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:21,730 actually do some sky watching now we're 2197 01:39:25,290 --> 01:39:23,410 actually going to do skywatching right 2198 01:39:27,870 --> 01:39:25,300 here that the plans have changed a few 2199 01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:27,880 times but yeah we're actually going to 2200 01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:29,530 do this guy watching right here Ben's 2201 01:39:34,890 --> 01:39:32,890 got everything set up for it and yeah 2202 01:39:36,750 --> 01:39:34,900 we're good to go you know when you first 2203 01:39:38,580 --> 01:39:36,760 said that you saw the lights coming 2204 01:39:42,060 --> 01:39:38,590 through the trees you know what I was 2205 01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:42,070 thinking don't you alien it was coming 2206 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:44,800 back and maybe was going to drop yeah 2207 01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:47,530 dropped out of the soft now you see 2208 01:39:53,550 --> 01:39:49,510 fortunate it was just the truck this was 2209 01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:53,560 a UF this was a UFO that had that has I 2210 01:39:59,610 --> 01:39:57,130 think has travis in it but but it's a 2211 01:40:02,760 --> 01:39:59,620 man made it now it's an identified I've 2212 01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:02,770 been able to confirm that it is humans 2213 01:40:10,380 --> 01:40:06,000 on board this crap and it is a land 2214 01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:10,390 transporter created by human beings okay 2215 01:40:15,900 --> 01:40:12,480 so we can't go into any conspiracy 2216 01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:15,910 alright so how many people would you say 2217 01:40:21,300 --> 01:40:17,920 is that far that they're right now 2218 01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:21,310 around you at the site well there's been 2219 01:40:25,620 --> 01:40:23,290 about you know luckily we were all 2220 01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:25,630 waiting for a while and luckily there's 2221 01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:29,050 a forest lady who was able to she was 2222 01:40:33,420 --> 01:40:30,550 heading up there and we were able to get 2223 01:40:34,740 --> 01:40:33,430 up with her earlier so we got some great 2224 01:40:38,250 --> 01:40:34,750 footage because we're going to do some 2225 01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:38,260 video stuff and post that online people 2226 01:40:41,790 --> 01:40:39,760 will be able to see it will have some 2227 01:40:43,500 --> 01:40:41,800 interviews with them for Travis's in the 2228 01:40:44,910 --> 01:40:43,510 witnesses but we were able to get here 2229 01:40:46,979 --> 01:40:44,920 what they're some daylight to get some 2230 01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:46,989 footage of the area that will definitely 2231 01:40:53,220 --> 01:40:49,690 be sharing on our youtube later on so 2232 01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:53,230 there is a three or four and then Ben 2233 01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:55,810 was up here with a couple people Ben's 2234 01:40:59,479 --> 01:40:58,000 been up here for like six hours or 2235 01:41:02,100 --> 01:40:59,489 something he got fed up hours ago 2236 01:41:05,459 --> 01:41:02,110 waiting for things to get started and 2237 01:41:08,850 --> 01:41:05,469 we've been waiting just us you know six 2238 01:41:11,610 --> 01:41:08,860 or seven people for a few hours now 2239 01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:11,620 waiting for the rest of the group 2240 01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:14,800 and they're just getting here and you 2241 01:41:21,420 --> 01:41:19,090 have you seen Travis yet not yet okay 2242 01:41:24,210 --> 01:41:21,430 the back side of the story is sub this 2243 01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:24,220 week earlier i sent travis a satellite 2244 01:41:27,630 --> 01:41:25,690 phone because i didn't think anyone had 2245 01:41:30,900 --> 01:41:27,640 any service air i was told that there 2246 01:41:34,230 --> 01:41:30,910 was no cell service so well I've my goat 2247 01:41:39,570 --> 01:41:34,240 on and on yeah but created working them 2248 01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:39,580 yeah well don't move an inch so what 2249 01:41:44,190 --> 01:41:40,960 would you guess that you know I know you 2250 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:44,200 you live in it's like blasting hot and 2251 01:41:50,910 --> 01:41:47,530 Arizona has so many extremes so you're 2252 01:41:53,130 --> 01:41:50,920 you're typically in near 100 degree 2253 01:41:54,210 --> 01:41:53,140 weather aren't you and now it's what 2254 01:41:58,520 --> 01:41:54,220 would you say if the temperature is 2255 01:42:01,500 --> 01:41:58,530 there yeah you know down where I'm at in 2256 01:42:04,530 --> 01:42:01,510 the Phoenix area we've got you know a 2257 01:42:09,150 --> 01:42:04,540 tease during the day sits down to maybe 2258 01:42:11,700 --> 01:42:09,160 upper 50s at night you know but here 2259 01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:11,710 it's probably in the 20 up on this 2260 01:42:16,740 --> 01:42:14,050 hillside there's a cool wind coming in 2261 01:42:20,580 --> 01:42:16,750 and it is very very cold and getting 2262 01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:20,590 colder by the minute its leaves you last 2263 01:42:26,010 --> 01:42:23,290 see a little bit I never yeah wow yeah 2264 01:42:27,210 --> 01:42:26,020 it kind of difficult to be uh-huh go 2265 01:42:30,780 --> 01:42:27,220 ahead him no I just wondered is there 2266 01:42:34,110 --> 01:42:30,790 actually snow on the ground no there's 2267 01:42:38,370 --> 01:42:34,120 no snow here um I don't think it snowed 2268 01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:38,380 out here yet so but it's it get to be 2269 01:42:43,500 --> 01:42:42,010 that time of year yeah hey alejandro 2270 01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:43,510 just just while we're waiting to see 2271 01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:46,420 perhaps if Travis pokes his head out of 2272 01:42:52,710 --> 01:42:50,890 a truck or or whatever what any news 2273 01:42:55,830 --> 01:42:52,720 that you can think of that happened over 2274 01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:55,840 the week since we last talked I know I'm 2275 01:43:00,150 --> 01:42:58,000 putting you on the spot but is there any 2276 01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:00,160 you are you know what there's always 2277 01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:04,000 something cool going on so yeah let me 2278 01:43:11,220 --> 01:43:09,370 um put my thinking cap on here cute 2279 01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:11,230 let's see we've written about some 2280 01:43:20,430 --> 01:43:18,490 really cool stuff lately oh my gosh my 2281 01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:20,440 brain is probably just frozen over 2282 01:43:23,419 --> 01:43:22,330 because we're writing about me all 2283 01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:23,429 society 2284 01:43:28,330 --> 01:43:26,010 earlier we had we had someone and if you 2285 01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:28,340 could bring up the site while I'm time I 2286 01:43:34,489 --> 01:43:32,159 hear you know you and give me a heads up 2287 01:43:36,859 --> 01:43:34,499 on a title i'll tell you all about it i 2288 01:43:38,540 --> 01:43:36,869 can do that hey listen we were talking a 2289 01:43:41,449 --> 01:43:38,550 little bit earlier i should say we were 2290 01:43:47,839 --> 01:43:41,459 text texting back and forth about this 2291 01:43:48,830 --> 01:43:47,849 kuro 777 it was a yeah and in li Spiegel 2292 01:43:50,959 --> 01:43:48,840 wrote about it do you know anything 2293 01:43:53,209 --> 01:43:50,969 about that particular grant with the 2294 01:43:55,549 --> 01:43:53,219 objects you know quite a bit about it I 2295 01:43:58,879 --> 01:43:55,559 in fact it this week i interviewed least 2296 01:44:01,100 --> 01:43:58,889 beagle about it and of course well and 2297 01:44:03,469 --> 01:44:01,110 during the time Lee Spiegel it's plenty 2298 01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:03,479 because I saw the video and it was this 2299 01:44:09,859 --> 01:44:07,050 video that this crow 77 put up what he 2300 01:44:12,049 --> 01:44:09,869 believed to be a UFO cruising near the 2301 01:44:14,029 --> 01:44:12,059 surface of the Moon I thought it was an 2302 01:44:15,739 --> 01:44:14,039 interesting video but you know I as I 2303 01:44:19,239 --> 01:44:15,749 know it's always best to get some 2304 01:44:21,290 --> 01:44:19,249 experts to look at it because they are 2305 01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:21,300 identifying sometimes you're just not 2306 01:44:27,620 --> 01:44:24,570 able to think of so is Ben Hansen here 2307 01:44:29,779 --> 01:44:27,630 of fact or faked and then Mark Dantonio 2308 01:44:32,750 --> 01:44:29,789 and they replied to me and said funny 2309 01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:32,760 thing we just answered Glee Siegel and 2310 01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:36,570 sent him some information so essentially 2311 01:44:41,839 --> 01:44:38,400 leaves people wrote up the story and 2312 01:44:45,020 --> 01:44:41,849 both Ben and Mark bill that what that 2313 01:44:48,549 --> 01:44:45,030 was was a satellite he captured moving 2314 01:44:51,410 --> 01:44:48,559 in front of the moon this gentleman is a 2315 01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:51,420 amateur astronomer and he got this on a 2316 01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:55,050 telescope and one of the questions I had 2317 01:44:58,819 --> 01:44:57,360 it he drew kind of a straight line then 2318 01:45:01,580 --> 01:44:58,829 he showed that this thing does not 2319 01:45:03,350 --> 01:45:01,590 travel along a straight line and so I 2320 01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:03,360 asked you know that seems mysterious 2321 01:45:07,370 --> 01:45:05,280 that's one of his arguments that it's 2322 01:45:09,410 --> 01:45:07,380 not a satellite and their answer what 2323 01:45:12,770 --> 01:45:09,420 there's a lot of insulation you know 2324 01:45:16,819 --> 01:45:12,780 that goes on the atmosphere yes um so 2325 01:45:19,580 --> 01:45:16,829 things move and so it makes it look like 2326 01:45:22,609 --> 01:45:19,590 it's a lot going along a straight line 2327 01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:22,619 but it or not but it actually is and 2328 01:45:26,179 --> 01:45:24,570 they were able to show the trajectory 2329 01:45:28,549 --> 01:45:26,189 you know it actually doesn't change at 2330 01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:28,559 all and it does move so it steady like a 2331 01:45:33,859 --> 01:45:31,679 satellite would so both Ben and Mark who 2332 01:45:36,049 --> 01:45:33,869 certainly do not always agree and I 2333 01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:36,059 think we talked about that on your show 2334 01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:37,110 before 2335 01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:39,119 I did agree that this object was 2336 01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:42,480 satellite but the gentleman who took the 2337 01:45:47,570 --> 01:45:44,610 video completely disagrees with that 2338 01:45:50,359 --> 01:45:47,580 assessment and he told police people 2339 01:45:54,350 --> 01:45:50,369 that and he made a video where he argues 2340 01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:54,360 on their points and Eileen said okay you 2341 01:46:02,590 --> 01:45:57,690 know i'll post your video too so we did 2342 01:46:05,419 --> 01:46:02,600 post that that refund in his story yeah 2343 01:46:07,129 --> 01:46:05,429 okay well you know I'm thinking you know 2344 01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:07,139 kind of disappointed I didn't blast us 2345 01:46:11,780 --> 01:46:08,489 everywhere because when I didn't hear 2346 01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:11,790 from Travis today I i didn't i didn't 2347 01:46:16,189 --> 01:46:13,409 post it everywhere that he was going to 2348 01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:16,199 be on the show live from the event site 2349 01:46:21,770 --> 01:46:19,650 but so i'm a little disappointed try to 2350 01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:21,780 walk around a bit there's a lot of 2351 01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:23,760 people now they're all finally getting 2352 01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:27,090 here almost four hours later I could try 2353 01:46:30,649 --> 01:46:28,560 to mill around oh look there's non 2354 01:46:33,410 --> 01:46:30,659 submit I can see in this crowd of people 2355 01:46:37,340 --> 01:46:33,420 I can try to go look around here and see 2356 01:46:39,770 --> 01:46:37,350 if I see him if you want hopefully I 2357 01:46:41,740 --> 01:46:39,780 won't lose signal yeah i think if you 2358 01:46:45,859 --> 01:46:41,750 took a few consummately i grabbed him 2359 01:46:47,300 --> 01:46:45,869 yeah okay see him let me come over here 2360 01:46:49,820 --> 01:46:47,310 so I'm going so I'll tell you what I'm 2361 01:46:53,209 --> 01:46:49,830 doing going through these cloud of 2362 01:46:57,740 --> 01:46:53,219 people many of the speakers among them i 2363 01:47:00,890 --> 01:46:57,750 see a tall man over here with a honest 2364 01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:00,900 that i believed to be mr. Travis called 2365 01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:03,330 him I'm coming through the fourth the 2366 01:47:13,580 --> 01:47:08,719 same for Travis was in oh no that's been 2367 01:47:15,770 --> 01:47:13,590 ping it but okay all right well that 2368 01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:15,780 idea p you're a good school hold on a 2369 01:47:21,890 --> 01:47:19,170 minute died let me let me have you say 2370 01:47:28,700 --> 01:47:21,900 hi to dance man oh sure if I could get 2371 01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:28,710 him he's saying hi to someone but well 2372 01:47:32,500 --> 01:47:30,810 jon schmitz vinod now coupled indeed 2373 01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:32,510 he's one of the ra's weekend 2374 01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:35,850 conversations with someone let me come 2375 01:47:43,100 --> 01:47:40,650 further into the forest here and um yep 2376 01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:43,110 there's another group of people all 2377 01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:46,560 apparently human now let me just ask you 2378 01:47:50,630 --> 01:47:48,239 this is that you look lighting there at 2379 01:47:52,970 --> 01:47:50,640 all are you just seeing like dark dark 2380 01:47:55,610 --> 01:47:52,980 rizal yeah but it's almost a full moon 2381 01:48:05,810 --> 01:47:55,620 to the moon's very very bright area is 2382 01:48:07,790 --> 01:48:05,820 here you ok hey Travis you know hey how 2383 01:48:10,010 --> 01:48:07,800 are ya all right i'll bet that I'll get 2384 01:48:15,110 --> 01:48:10,020 that satellite phone no that's right 2385 01:48:16,850 --> 01:48:15,120 work on this phone ok ok well I hate to 2386 01:48:19,940 --> 01:48:16,860 waste a satellite phone we probably have 2387 01:48:21,260 --> 01:48:19,950 better better reception yeah well we 2388 01:48:24,440 --> 01:48:21,270 only got a couple of minutes because we 2389 01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:24,450 have our the show gasps our Campbell's 2390 01:48:28,340 --> 01:48:26,850 waiting on the line here so we only have 2391 01:48:30,140 --> 01:48:28,350 a couple minutes I'm just really glad 2392 01:48:32,900 --> 01:48:30,150 that it's worked out that I was actually 2393 01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:32,910 able to speak to you right at the site 2394 01:48:41,210 --> 01:48:36,960 are you excited to be there well excited 2395 01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:41,220 is not the word I get up were here well 2396 01:48:46,460 --> 01:48:43,170 yes I could have used another word yes 2397 01:48:50,810 --> 01:48:46,470 is it is it how does it feel being there 2398 01:48:55,070 --> 01:48:50,820 this is 39 day 39 years to the day and 2399 01:48:57,470 --> 01:48:55,080 yeah I've never been here on the 2400 01:48:59,360 --> 01:48:57,480 anniversary at night ever now all the 2401 01:49:02,900 --> 01:48:59,370 guys on the crew has been here at two or 2402 01:49:05,770 --> 01:49:02,910 three times on the anniversary yet night 2403 01:49:08,830 --> 01:49:05,780 and I'm telling mom I don't know why 2404 01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:08,840 yeah now is there anyone there besides 2405 01:49:17,620 --> 01:49:14,610 you from the crew well you are coming to 2406 01:49:21,050 --> 01:49:17,630 the conference but you know I was 2407 01:49:24,650 --> 01:49:21,060 delayed a bit getting equipment for this 2408 01:49:27,020 --> 01:49:24,660 stuff either and so I'm not even if I 2409 01:49:30,590 --> 01:49:27,030 haven't even greeted everybody became 2410 01:49:31,790 --> 01:49:30,600 yep yep well well you made it that's 2411 01:49:34,190 --> 01:49:31,800 important and why don't you tell 2412 01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:34,200 everyone the listeners hear about the 2413 01:49:42,590 --> 01:49:37,010 summit that's going on this weekend hey 2414 01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:42,600 I'm doing a radio under there yeah say 2415 01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:44,010 that again please yes why don't you go 2416 01:49:49,460 --> 01:49:45,840 ahead and tell everyone about the summit 2417 01:49:51,980 --> 01:49:49,470 they Skype I what is all well you know 2418 01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:51,990 this is the 39th anniversary and you 2419 01:49:56,030 --> 01:49:53,520 know there's no particular significance 2420 01:49:57,800 --> 01:49:56,040 you at for why I'm there to know that 2421 01:50:04,030 --> 01:49:57,810 somebody finally talked me in doing it 2422 01:50:10,250 --> 01:50:07,910 it's a I thought it would be you know 2423 01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,260 that the fact that November fifth falls 2424 01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:12,480 on a wednesday this time just like it 2425 01:50:20,570 --> 01:50:16,890 did back then was significant and it 2426 01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:20,580 turned out to be the most popular thing 2427 01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:23,400 about this conference are they almost 2428 01:50:29,330 --> 01:50:26,850 every single person who signed up for 2429 01:50:32,030 --> 01:50:29,340 their conference wanted to do this even 2430 01:50:34,970 --> 01:50:32,040 though it's two days before the kind of 2431 01:50:38,150 --> 01:50:34,980 a pre-conference event you know and 2432 01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:38,160 we're going to go on a tour tomorrow and 2433 01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:41,730 take people to the site of my return and 2434 01:50:48,830 --> 01:50:45,090 to the phone booths were called for help 2435 01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:48,840 that night and also we're going to go to 2436 01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:52,050 the courthouse where the men were given 2437 01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,330 the state police lie detector test and 2438 01:51:02,420 --> 01:50:59,520 I'm thinking I've at least one other 2439 01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:02,430 crewmember by then now when you talk to 2440 01:51:07,730 --> 01:51:04,290 me about them is it mumbling actually 2441 01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:07,740 still there yes with three fumbles are 2442 01:51:12,590 --> 01:51:10,290 still there even though phone booths are 2443 01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:12,600 on anachronism I know their arm you know 2444 01:51:19,190 --> 01:51:14,850 what because of cell phones they just 2445 01:51:21,890 --> 01:51:19,200 it's not that they're kind of kept in 2446 01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:21,900 place as a as a sort of a monument 2447 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:23,730 because they're not even up to up and 2448 01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,010 haven't been for years but the phone 2449 01:51:31,010 --> 01:51:28,800 company has preserved them and they wind 2450 01:51:35,690 --> 01:51:31,020 up getting a lot of graffiti on Duncan 2451 01:51:37,790 --> 01:51:35,700 places around the world but I'd like to 2452 01:51:40,340 --> 01:51:37,800 discourage the graffiti but you know 2453 01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:40,350 people are watching you there on my way 2454 01:51:45,140 --> 01:51:42,810 to somewhere else about a lot of times 2455 01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:45,150 and I'll see people taking pictures 2456 01:51:49,130 --> 01:51:47,280 there now let me just ask you this as 2457 01:51:53,810 --> 01:51:49,140 anyone to ever placed a plaque or 2458 01:51:58,040 --> 01:51:53,820 anything near the site there no not near 2459 01:52:00,830 --> 01:51:58,050 the site and because of ongoing recent 2460 01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:00,840 do you know some magnetic anomalies and 2461 01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:03,930 some radiation and some coffee in the 2462 01:52:09,290 --> 01:52:06,930 tree growth of that site but even the 2463 01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:09,300 people who have come on this skywatch 2464 01:52:15,070 --> 01:52:12,000 here where I just signed a 2465 01:52:17,140 --> 01:52:15,080 non-disclosure about the location 2466 01:52:20,650 --> 01:52:17,150 that's gonna be necessary to we at least 2467 01:52:23,290 --> 01:52:20,660 you know I've heard the research into 2468 01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:23,300 the stones growth of these truth yeah 2469 01:52:29,590 --> 01:52:25,970 let's talk about that I think I heard 2470 01:52:31,540 --> 01:52:29,600 you say that in the area in the center 2471 01:52:34,060 --> 01:52:31,550 part everything is all these tree 2472 01:52:36,700 --> 01:52:34,070 growths are are happening toward the 2473 01:52:39,130 --> 01:52:36,710 center where the object was and but not 2474 01:52:41,170 --> 01:52:39,140 around now you are is the other side's 2475 01:52:43,090 --> 01:52:41,180 yeah we'll see that's the thing you know 2476 01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:43,100 the skeptics were saying well anything 2477 01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:45,170 could make the tree grow faster but if 2478 01:52:48,970 --> 01:52:46,610 you if you look at the tree in 2479 01:52:51,100 --> 01:52:48,980 cross-section and the thicker rings are 2480 01:52:53,190 --> 01:52:51,110 in the direction of the craft whether 2481 01:52:56,680 --> 01:52:53,200 you go north east south and west of 2482 01:53:00,580 --> 01:52:56,690 ground zero there that's proof that some 2483 01:53:03,010 --> 01:53:00,590 central source was causing this and one 2484 01:53:06,610 --> 01:53:03,020 of our team been handsome the former 2485 01:53:09,460 --> 01:53:06,620 host of fact afaik came across some 2486 01:53:15,730 --> 01:53:09,470 research that was done on Scott's palm 2487 01:53:18,730 --> 01:53:15,740 tree in the chernobyl area and it 2488 01:53:22,630 --> 01:53:18,740 documented the accelerated growth of 2489 01:53:25,630 --> 01:53:22,640 trees by three times in response to 2490 01:53:28,210 --> 01:53:25,640 radiation so they are soon a connection 2491 01:53:30,630 --> 01:53:28,220 to just you know straight radiation 2492 01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:30,640 moving and although I wouldn't say that 2493 01:53:36,270 --> 01:53:33,530 compensable got to a cause of some sort 2494 01:53:39,490 --> 01:53:36,280 of energy I'd know you from that craft 2495 01:53:42,010 --> 01:53:39,500 generally dis accelerated growth right 2496 01:53:44,590 --> 01:53:42,020 yeah i mean that's that alone I mean 2497 01:53:45,970 --> 01:53:44,600 really says something you know it's like 2498 01:53:49,300 --> 01:53:45,980 you said to all the skeptics and there's 2499 01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:49,310 a lot of the skeptics out there that you 2500 01:53:54,670 --> 01:53:52,250 know try to bash this story and they 2501 01:53:56,860 --> 01:53:54,680 always seem to fall apart you know 2502 01:53:58,240 --> 01:53:56,870 there's rather do because they're not 2503 01:54:00,310 --> 01:53:58,250 interested in the facts and they'll 2504 01:54:03,340 --> 01:54:00,320 start talking before they even have the 2505 01:54:05,590 --> 01:54:03,350 fact right right well hey i want to wish 2506 01:54:08,530 --> 01:54:05,600 you great luck with the summit this 2507 01:54:11,500 --> 01:54:08,540 weekend and say to say hi to all friends 2508 01:54:13,900 --> 01:54:11,510 of the show that you see out there okay 2509 01:54:16,740 --> 01:54:13,910 great all right Travis you take care of 2510 01:54:19,420 --> 01:54:16,750 em well I hope to be talking to you soon 2511 01:54:23,290 --> 01:54:19,430 yeah we'll do another one alright 2512 01:54:24,820 --> 01:54:23,300 alright sounds good broker alright so 2513 01:54:28,399 --> 01:54:24,830 that's it for the show thank you all 2514 01:54:32,089 --> 01:54:28,409 very much for a wonderful 2014 2515 01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:32,099 have a very merry and prosperous 2015 2516 01:54:38,540 --> 01:54:36,239 and come back next week we have I forget 2517 01:54:40,549 --> 01:54:38,550 who our guest is again I'm not editing 2518 01:54:43,159 --> 01:54:40,559 any of this but come back next week and 2519 01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:43,169 check it out live on Dark Matter radio 2520 01:54:47,540 --> 01:54:44,880 network I want to give a special thanks 2521 01:54:50,169 --> 01:54:47,550 to peggy shunning for all your hard work 2522 01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:50,179 on the facebook page this last year 2523 01:54:54,259 --> 01:54:52,530 alejandro rojas thanks for some great 2524 01:54:56,839 --> 01:54:54,269 news segments and for the earlier 2525 01:54:58,669 --> 01:54:56,849 segment today Keith Rowland for the 2526 01:55:01,129 --> 01:54:58,679 producer of the Dark Matter radio all